Actually, I believed this to be the example that Lisa was looking for...
Chris
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Then don't use one.
"Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen."
Christopher R. Spence
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Ok, so I was over analyzing the PK on this table. (big grin)
I still don't see a need for a surrogate key for this table.
Chris
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If you remove the datetime column you are going to get errors that the
unique constraint on the primary key is violated once someone tries to login
more than once and is denied.
Composite primary keys are fine, since you will not be updating these
columns. there is no need in this case for an artificial key. In fact, the
composite key will be more random and therefore the index created for the
primary key will be more balanced than if you used a sequence.
my $.02
Rachel
>From: "Grabowy, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: RE: Enforced Costraints ??
>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 06:42:01 -0800
>
>I have no real solid design experience, but in the current model that I am
>working on I created this table...
>
> AUDIT DENIED LOGONS
> --------------------
>| ADL Userid |
>| ADL DateTime |
>|--------------------|
>| |
> --------------------
>
>The two columns in the table are the PK. I have been debating back and
>forth about this. I wonder if I should remove ADL DateTime from the PK.
>Still debating.
>
>As for a surrogate key, it just didn't seem to need one. Does it? What
>for?
>
>At any rate, DBA stuff is easy compared to design work. I find myself
>arguing about every single little detail, it's driving me nuts.
>
>Any thoughts or arguments or ideas?
>
>Many thanks.
>
>Chris
>
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>
>Well, here's one problem - there is no guarantee that Social Security
>Number
>will indeed be unique. SS#'s are reassigned, just like phone numbers are.
>IMHO, surrogate keys are always a good idea. Has anyone got an example of
>when a surrogate key is NOT a good idea?
>Lisa Koivu
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>In a DSS environment, it is a standard practice to create surrogate keys
>for
>
>primary key. I never had experience with this (having duplicates in PK).
>Perhaps a list member could tell what probs might arise.
>Rao
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>
>Not good enough ! According to various documents, you should add your own
>primary key (surrogate key), which also makes it easier to keep track of
>history and combine various sources. I agree with Lee: you should never
>implement a PK with non-unique values.
>Remco
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>Van: Rahul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Verzonden: dinsdag 12 juni 2001 11:56
>Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>Onderwerp: RE: Enforced Costraints ??
>
>
>DSS !
>
>
> > ----------
> > From: Robertson Lee - lerobe[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
> > Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 4:00 PM
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> > Subject: RE: Enforced Costraints ??
> >
> > am I missing something here ?? Why would you ever need to be in that
> > situation (a table with non-unique values in a PK column) ?
> >
> > Apologies if this is a no-brainer.
> >
> > Lee
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: 12 June 2001 09:41
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > i think the solution is to .....
> >
> > (on a table with non-unique values in a PK candidate column)
> >
> > 1) create a non-unique index on the pk candidate colunm
> > 2) create the pk using enable novalidate clause
> >
> > this way the existing data will NOT checked for uniqueness, the
>constraint
>
> > will be "enforced" for the upcoming data only...
> >
> > Regards
> > Rahul
> >
> >
> > > > ----------
> > > > From: Anshumn[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:30 PM
> > > > To: Rahul
> > > > Subject: Re: Enforced Costraints ??
> > > >
> > > > Hi Rahul,
> > > >
> > > > That is true. In Oracle 8, there is option to enable the constraint
>in
>
> > > > novalidate mode or validate mode. The novalidate mode is the enforce
> > > mode,
> > > > where only the forthcoming data is checked. It does not check the
> > > exisitng
> > > > data. The validate mode is the normal constraint enable mode.
> > > >
> > > > The syntax is
> > > > Alter table table enable novalidate constraint name;
> > > >
> > > > So after I put the constraint in the novalidate mode, the uniqueness
> > > will
> > > > be checked only amongst the coming data. But if later I set the
> > > constraint
> > > > ti validate mode(enable), then it may give error as the loaded data
> > was
> > > > never checked for uniqueness with the exisitng data. In this case I
>am
>
> > > > very much confused with the usefulness of this feature.
> > > > Can you please give any inputs for the same to clear my doubts ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks & Regards,
> > > > Anshumn
> > > >
> > > > Rahul wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Anshuman,
> > > >
> > > > whenever u add a constraint to a table, oracle will make sure all
> > > > the data
> > > > (if any)
> > > > confirms to the constraint added....
> > > >
> > > > you can enable or disable a constraint (even defer)... dont
>confuse
> > > > urself
> > > > with the term "enforcing a constraint".
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Rahul
> > > >
> > > > > ----------
> > > > > From: Anshumn[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:26 AM
> > > > > To: LazyDBA.com Discussion
> > > > > Subject: Enforced Costraints ??
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi gurus,
> > > > >
> > > > > Please help me to know the difference between enabling and
> > > > enforcing a
> > > > > constraint. I need it urgently.
> > > > >
> > > > > As per my knowledge, enabling a constraint checks for the
> > > > > existing data to apply that constraint and then the constraint
>is
> > > > > applied for the forthcoming data. Whereas enforcing a constraint
> > > > does
> > > > > not check the existing records and the constraint is only
>applied
> > > > to the
> > > > >
> > > > > forthcoming data only. Is it correct ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Suppose I have a 'unique' constraint. If I enforce this
> > > > constraint, then
> > > > >
> > > > > for checking the uniqueness criteria, will not it check the
> > > > existing
> > > > > records to determine whether the coming record is unique or not
>?
> > > > If it
> > > > > checks for the uniqueness among the forthcoming records only,
>then
>
> > > > I
> > > > > have a doubt. In this case I may have loaded a record, with a
> > > > value
> > > > > which is already present in the existing data(Since the existing
> > > > data
> > > > > was not checked while enforcing the constraint). Now if I enable
> > > > the
> > > > > constraint, then that time it will check all the records for
> > > > uniqueness.
> > > > >
> > > > > How does it work in that case ? Won't it give me an error ? Then
> > > > how
> > > > > good is the use of an enforced constraint ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Please give your valuable feedback to clear this doubt. I need
>it
> > > > > urgently.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > > Anshumn
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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