Yes it's fun getting Chris, our self-touting genuis.  However, the point is not that 
unique indexes cannot be compressed, but that the prefix length canot be mre that one 
less than the numbewr of coluymns in the index.

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Whoa Chris, gotcha on that one. :)

The combination of columns may be unique, but you can certainly compress
a unique index for significant space savings.

The unique index I used in testing had three columns, ordered most
selective
first.  By reversing the column order of the index and compressing it,
the index went from 180 Megs to 60 megs.

The cardinality of the new leading column was 26 in table of 1.5 million
rows.

Jared




                                                                                       
                             
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Yes, there is no point in compressing all columns of a unique index as it
would result in 0% compression as they are unique.

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The restriction is on unique indexes.

  1* select column_name from dba_ind_COLUMNS where INDEX_NAME = 'WOLO_PK'
SQL> /

COLUMN_NAME
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

----
PERSON_ID
INSTITUTION_CODE

ALTER INDEX CASEPUPPY.WOLO_PK
REBUILD COMPRESS 2 TABLESPACE PEPII_INDEX
/

REBUILD COMPRESS 2 TABLESPACE PEPII_INDEX
                                        *
ERROR at line 2:
ORA-25194: invalid COMPRESS prefix length value

 ALTER INDEX CASEPUPPY.WOLO_PK
 REBUILD COMPRESS 1 TABLESPACE PEPII_INDEX
/

Index altered.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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This was done on an 8.1.6.3 database.  As far as what's done in practice, I
would hazard accepting the Oracle defaults for prefix length values is the
most common.  The documentation states:

"For unique indexes, the valid range of prefix length values is from 1 to
the number of key columns minus 1. The default prefix length is the number
                              of key columns minus 1.

                              For nonunique indexes, the valid range of
prefix length values is from 1 to the number of key columns. The default
prefix length is the number of
                              key columns."


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Actually you can create compressed indexes upto the size of the columns. In
other words, the last column in a concentated index can be compressed.
Although most practice does not.


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You cannot compress single column unique indexes.  The rule is: you can
compress up to n-1 columns of a unique index where n = the number of
columns
in the index.  A multi-column compressed index should, for maximum effect,
have as its leading column the one with greatest  number of repeated
values.
This is in conflict with the rule that states to put the column with the
highest cardinality  first.

Bear in mind compressing an index is not cost free.  The CPU will need to
do
more work to read the index; however the cost of the work will be less than
doing a physical I/O.

You can compress all columns of a non-unique index.

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Ian,

I'll look at compressing the index.   Does that only work on unique indexes
or can you
do it on non-unique multi-column indexes as well?

Thanks,

Cherie




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The advantage of the fast full index scan is that it should read fewer
blocks than the full table scan.  Index compression may help reduce the
number of blocks read even further.   A unique index mist be at least two
columns wide to benefit from compression.


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Ian,

The last one I looked at it was cached, I guess.   I could purposely cache
the
table (and index) if it was small, though.

I'm confused though.   Isn't the whole benefit of the fast, full index scan
that you
don't have to go against the table, thereby avoiding those physical reads?

Or, in the case where the index isn't cached, is the benefit that you don't
have to read all of the columns in the table that aren't part of the index?

Thanks for your reply,

Cherie



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There is no rule that says an index will be cache.  Yes physical reads are
being done. If the unique index is composed of more than one column look
into compressing it.

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I am confused by the output from tkprof below.   An fast full index
scan is being performed.   However, from the statistics, it looks as
thought 649 physical disk reads are being performed.  Is that actually
the case?   Are physical disk reads being done?

Thanks,

Cherie Machler
Oracle DBA
Gelco Information Network
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Select SD.KS_OBJECTID as CONCEPTID
>From kbowner.KS_SHORTDESCRIPTION SD
Where SD.KS_DESCRIPTIONTYPE = 'CPTNAME' And
UPPER(SD.KS_DESCRIPTIONTEXT) = ''

call     count       cpu    elapsed       disk      query    current
rows
------- ------  -------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ----------
----------
Parse        1      0.03       0.03          0          0          0
0
Execute      1      0.00       0.00          0          0          0
0
Fetch        1      0.30       0.30        649        649          4
0
------- ------  -------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ----------
----------
total        3      0.33       0.33        649        649          4
0

Rows     Row Source Operation
-------  ---------------------------------------------------
      0  INDEX FAST FULL SCAN (object id 5286)


Rows     Execution Plan
-------  ---------------------------------------------------
      0  SELECT STATEMENT   GOAL: CHOOSE
      0   INDEX   GOAL: ANALYZED (FAST FULL SCAN) OF 'SYS_C001069' (UNIQUE)

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