This is really so depressing. I have heard so many stories about the dot com dba's under 2 much work pressure and handling everything with minimum resources. Ours is a diff case.. 11 freakin dba's to handle 40+ prod databases. It was fine initially but as the company pockets start drying and and our web site subscribers only playing for free and not paying .. looks like i have to start looking around .. going by the state of things right now .. and what i hear from all who have reponded 2 this thread subject, it aint gonna be a pretty site .. ;
Deepak --- Don Granaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can sympathize with Yosi. I resigned my last > position in June after > four years of insanely intense activity. For > example, being the only > DBA in a two year period of 1500% growth, averaging > 90+ hours a week > in 1999, 80+ in 2000, etc... I was at the highest > attainable > technical level in a rather large internet-based > company (3000+ > employees, 350+ in IT) - reporting directly to the > VP of Enterprise > Infrastructure as his chief technology consultant > (emphasis on Oracle > and back-end systems design & architecture). I > won't go into all my > reasons for leaving, but I decided to quit and take > a break for a > month or two. For the first month or so, I was > ducking/deferring > recruiters. Then things just dried up - totally... > > Since then, my situation has been similar to Yosi > 's. I do a few > technical presentations to the local Oracle user > group, attend > seminars, play around with 9i, read a lot of white > papers, and do a > (very) little bit of independent consulting. Not > one of the three > recruiters I've been dealing with have even called > in over two months > now. I went in for my first interview in three > months yesterday - a > small startup technology company - but they are > really looking to hire > a mid-range DBA at an entry-level salary. I've been > doing nothing but > Oracle on Unix for over a dozen years and have > outstanding credentials > and references. Its not exactly a perfect fit. > > An earlier post asked why DBAs should be more > vulnerable than others. > Rachel stated the essence of the problem - DBA isn't > like development. > If the job is done properly and everything is > running smoothly, the > attitude is "What does a DBA do anyway? Do we > actually need one?" > When things go bad, its often the DBA or SA that > gets hit in the > blamestorming - justified or not. Development is > very visible when > they do things - users see a direct result. When > things go bad, they > often blame the system or the database. (I've > actually heard > development managers and developers tell the CIO > that "Application > design and coding doesn't have anything to do with > performance - > that's the DBA's job"!) > > Just look at the posts here and on the Lazy-DBA list > (much more so) in > the last six months or so. A *LOT* more of them are > of the type "We > laid off our DBA two months ago and I was assigned > to take over the > DBA duties". Followed by "A disk went bad and now > the database is > down. What should I do?" or "How should I layout my > database?" or > "How do I do a backup?" or ... There are tons of > very elementary > questions from people who have taken over DBA duties > from someone who > was laid off or left and wasn't replaced. Many more > than in the past. > > Too many companies are: > 1) Not replacing DBAs that leave > 2) Laying off DBAs > (The rest are supposed to "work smarter, not > harder." > A statement from PHB that is often immediately > followed with > or preceded by with some decree that forces the > opposite! ;-) > 3) Trying to hire DBAs at drastically lower salaries > (40%-70%) > (monster.com and dice.com are interesting > reads!) > > The demand for Oracle DBAs won't reach the extremes > of 1999-2000 again > for many years - if ever. The dot-com fiasco pushed > it to artificial > highs. However, there is still a huge difference > between many years, > perhaps even a decade or two, of serious experience > and an OCP with a > year that a lot of companies don't seem to want to > recognize right > now. The net result of this could easily be a > frenzy of job shifting > when the economy does recover and demand goes back > up. > > Frankly, I'm almost ready to join Jenny and make a > radical career > change. My uncle wants to retire from his > successful hardware store > business. I'm considering buying it. (Hmmm... What > about he > Menards/HomeDepot/... effect?) > > -Don Granaman > [OraSaurus] > > ----- Original Message ----- > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:30 PM > an Oracle > > > > Yeah, been here, still here... (It's amazing, I'm > busier now that > I'm > > unemployed, just not with paid work... Go figure.) > Gotten some > > (minor) contract work for a few weeks, but really > nothing doing > > here in New York. It's brutal, boys and girls. > > > > My friend's large bank was going to announce 5% > job cuts > > this week, but they pushed it off so they could > figure out a way > > cut more than the 5%. Did I mention it's brutal? > > > > That said, had my first interview in two, maybe > three, months today. > > Actually sounds promising, like there's really a > position to fill, > and > > they're really hiring. Been out since July, and > the kids would > REALLY > > like to eat again. > > > > Will keep you informed. > > > > Yosi > ). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: > http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Don Granaman > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: > (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California -- Public Internet > access / Mailing Lists > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an > E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > from). 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