I forgot to mention, two years ago I tried to use the NT Performance Monitor
to track usage of five Oracle 7.3.4.4. databases on one NT server, and
learned that Performance Monitor only lets you monitor one database at once.
I don't know if this is still the case with 8i and Win2K, but it tells me
that NT wasn't written to track multiple copies of the same program, it was
designed to run one copy of each program.
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
-----Original Message-----
From: Boivin, Patrice J [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:10 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Oracle/UNIX vs. Oracle/NT
Here are my comments, speaking from personal experience as an Oracle
DBA for
3 years on Tru64 UNIX and NT databases. I am also doubling as the
NT
administrator now. There is another Oracle DBA (more experienced
than me),
and there are 3 UNIX system administrators. 10 NT servers (2 old
OWS
3.0.1.1., 2 iAs 9i, 1 used to have 5 7.3.4.4. instances on it, one
has 3
8.1.7. instances on it), with 5 Digital (sorry, Compaq) Tru64 UNIX
servers,
with 1-3 instances on them).
This is my perception at this point.
Microsoft marketing is very strong. Managers use Windows9x/ME, so
they
think WindowsNT/2000 is easy too. Heck they know little about
computers and
they can run MS Office and Outlook no problem, imagine what the
techies
downstairs could do with the server OS from Microsoft! Most
managers don't
use computers - they need the latest laptops etc. for office status
purposes, but they don't use them for much more than running MS
Office and
Outlook. They read ComputerWorld and they see PC Magazine and PC
World in
the pharmacies, that's about it. They also notice that none of the
UNIX
vendors ever advertise on TV (what's up with that?). The people who
decide
where to spend the money are not the people who have to work with
the
systems. In a good shop they would consult the people below, but
often they
end up deciding first and arguing (or delaying purchase
indefinitely) if the
techies down below question their decision).
Do they take into account replacing all their servers to keep
NT/2000
running? I imagine their existing machines can't run NT or
Windows2000.
The point someone else made about training is a valid one,
management may be
thinking that training is not required at all for NT because it's a
Windows
OS and the techies can do anything, or that MCSEs are a dime a dozen
now so
staff costs will be lower. Problem is, they will need more staff to
keep
the NT servers going than for an equivalent number of UNIX machines
- once a
UNIX box runs, it runs reliably.
UNIX machines are not affected by the likes of NIMDA, BackOrifice
and other
tools out there. Most hackers don't have grudges against UNIX
systems, but
they certainly do against Microsoft. Have you updated your virus
files
lately? If using McAfee, is your engine up to date? Have you
checked your
Event Viewer security log? Has auditing even been enabled on your
system?
You realize that auditing is shut off by default on NT. (also not
taught in
the NT4 MCSE classes). Anyone with a copy of a server's ERD can
crack the
passwords of all the user accounts that server has seen since the OS
was
installed. If someone gets the ERD from your BDC or PDC, you are
royally
screwed. How many ERDs are lying around in your computer room? Do
contractors / term / casual employees ever go in there, and do any
of them
have any reason to be unhappy with the way your company is treating
them?
If one ERD is missing, how long will it take for anyone to notice?
The
attitude that "NT is just Windows" doesn't help security at all, the
OS has
to be taken seriously. If your machines have to be secure, get
ready to
spend time doing it. More time than if it was a UNIX host.
Web servers should use something other than IIS, IIS is popular
because...
it's freeware. The Gardner Group earlier this year advised people
not to
use IIS, because it is not secure. iAS went with Apache on Windows,
which
is a bit of an oxymoron, Apache should be running on UNIX. iAS made
the
right decision, but it illustrates that the OS ends up running a
UNIX web
server ported to NT. Like it is used to run a UNIX-based database
(Oracle)
on NT. Why not just use UNIX?
To do remote admin, they will have to purchase a 3rd party tool like
PC Duo
if they are using NT. NT assumes an administrator would be at the
server.
You can't telnet to NT systems because NT behaves like a home
operating
system, it assumes you are sitting at the machine (may be possible
with
Windows2000, not sure). You can purchase 3rd party telnet software,
but you
won't have access to the desktop.
Scripting on NT is not as "user-friendly" as it is in UNIX.
Retrieve from
archives those old DOS scripting books. NT and Windows2000 offer
more
commands, but at the core the scripting is still the same. The AT
command
used to run scripts on schedule in NT 4.0 is 99.9% reliable, but not
100%
reliable. I ended up having to install a 3rd party utility called
crontab
for Windows to keep my backup scripts running reliably.
The time clock keeps slipping back, esp. if your CPU is busy. So
you will
have to hook up the machine to a time server somewhere.
Every time there is a new version, you have to purchase it and
upgrade the
hardware. Much of your 3rd party and your in-house applications
will have
to be ported to the new version. I don't know if this is the case
with UNIX
variants.
NT carries along with it a huge kernel, and a thick layer of
graphics on top
of it. To make all that work at a speed equivalent to UNIX, it
needs a lot
of resources. A dual- or quad-CPU helps.
I would not run an Oracle on NT database with less than 2G of RAM on
the
server. Because much of NT is inaccessible to the system
administrator,
tuning becomes an issue - you will probably have to surf the 'net to
find
info on how to speed up NT (e.g. www.arstechnica.com
<http://www.arstechnica.com> had a whole section on this topic,
because
people were frustrated with the OS).
To improve performance, and to secure an NT server, you must make
many
changes in the registry; are you comfortable doing that? What will
happen
when you apply the next service pack? More time for administrators.
Maybe
they will give up trying, which means higher hardware costs for the
same
performance, and less security.
Because much of NT is in the kernel, it is inaccessible to system
administrators. When things go wrong you tend to either see a Blue
Screen
of Death or you get cryptic errors with generic messages. Because
of this
(this is bad practice) many places believe rebooting is the first
thing to
try when trying to fix a problem on NT servers. If they reboot and
the
server now runs, the system administrator usually has no idea what
went
wrong and whether the problem will reoccur.
It doesn't help either that one of the oldest pieces of code in NT
is the
Event Viewer, it has a different API than the rest of NT -
programmers don't
like programming for the Event Viewer. Many 3rd party applications
don't
report errors in Event Viewer very well. Oracle on NT has more info
in the
alert log file than it does in Event Viewer... because it makes more
sense
to use an alert log file.
I strongly suspect that disk I/O is much slower in NT than it is on
UNIX.
Especially if they plan to buy "high-end" PCs instead of purchasing
real
servers. You do not have as many options for the file system as
exist for
UNIX (advfs, etc.).
The registry fragments. Disks fragment. Even if you are installing
software on a new system with empty disks. More administration
required.
Fragmentation is not as much of an issue on UNIX systems, if at all.
Oracle on NT doesn't like NT virtual memory very much, I find I
always have
to have more physical memory than Oracle requires (rdbms + sessions)
for the
server to run reliably. This is probably because Oracle keeps
refreshing
the data block system change numbers, NT can't send Oracle to
virtual
memory.
Oracle develops the rdbms on UNIX, then ports it to NT. The
developer tools
are written on NT (I think). Better to be on the platform Oracle is
developing the database on, to be ahead in terms of patchsets and to
get
better Oracle support. UNIX on the back end and for medium to
large-sized
databases, Windows for smaller ones (perhaps, because why can't you
place
them on a UNIX server since you will have them for the back end).
NT does not allocate memory very quickly. If you are running an
Oracle
database on NT, you can open the Task Manager and look at Memory
Commit
Charge, then start the database service. How long does it take for
the OS
to allocate the memory Oracle requires? Do this, just as a test.
It
allocates memory in little chunks. Its' almost fun to watch. It's
not fun
if you are in a hurry. I don't know why it doesn't just say "you
want 1G of
memory? All right, here it is, go wild. Done."
Registry fields have a fixed maximum length, which poses problems
for people
who plan to put many Web applications on one web server. There may
be a
workaround (?) but here we have to map drives to local shares to
reduce the
number of characters we put in FORMS60_PATH and REPORTS60_PATH in
the
registry.
Given a choice, I would go with Oracle on UNIX every time because of
reliability issues. NT should be used only to serve smaller groups
of
people, not for backend databases. Perhaps use NT for smaller or
front end
databases (middle tier servers). Even with iAS, I would prefer if I
had it
running on Solaris instead of NT, so far iAS 9i 1.0.2.2. on NT (with
8.1.7.
and the OEM on the same machine) has given me a lot of headaches.
If you have any other experiences with NT v. UNIX, I would like to
hear
them. Correct me if I missed something or if I don't understand
something.
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
Technology Services | Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--
Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
--
Author: Boivin, Patrice J
INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051
San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing
Lists
--------------------------------------------------------------------
To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message
to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in
the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L
(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may
also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
--
Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
--
Author: Boivin, Patrice J
INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051
San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
--------------------------------------------------------------------
To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message
to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in
the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L
(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may
also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
