Naw, But Jared did forget one: "Do you believe that a personal life is obsolete."
Dick Goulet ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Author: "Boivin; Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 12/31/2001 4:35 AM Gee, I thought I was the only one. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services | Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 5:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L or as Marlene, Jim and I not so jokingly ask in DBA 101 (if you can answer yes to most of these, you have what it takes to become an Oracle DBA): Are you able to function at top efficiency with little or no sleep - possibly for days at a time? Do you like getting phone calls in the middle of the night that aren't a wrong number? Do you enjoy being the "invisible" person in your organization, that is, until something goes wrong? Do you enjoy life under a microscope? Do you enjoy long lines of people outside your door? Do you enjoy spending time filling out electronic iTARs in the off chance that a human being will actually pick them up, read, and respond to them in a "timely manner?" Do you love solving puzzles that make no sense? Is your favorite weekend meal Twinkies and Coca-Cola, and do you view pizza as a seven-day-a-week healthy meal plan? Do you love being on a perpetual steep learning curve? Do you enjoy the challenge of moving between different computer platforms? Do you believe that you'll have enough time to teach yourself <fill in the blank> (possible choices: XML, 9i, PL/SQL, Built-in Packages, Java, etc.)? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Yeah, once they find out this job isn't a cakewalk, they vanish. > > For those that: > > * live for challenge > * are afraid of nothing and not intimidated by complexity > * make that, 'love complexity' ;) > * can't forget about a problem until it's fixed > * willing to RTFM til they drop > * design and execute tests to understand how things work > * RTFM some more > * drive technology. Hey, there's more to a good DBA than databases. > * did I mention RTFM? > * learn from their mistakes > * admit they make mistakes > * RTFM to minimize mistakes > > All others need not apply. > > Jared > > "No guts, no glory" ;) > > > > > > "Kimberly > > Smith" To: Multiple recipients > of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <ksmith2@myfirs cc: > > tlink.net> Subject: RE: RE: > database administration questions > Sent by: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > m > > > > > > 12/27/01 09:00 > > AM > > Please respond > > to ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > You need to find some new cooks then. > > -----Original Message----- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:50 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > In our shop we've tried the cross training tact. Problem was that > those > who > accepted the challenge could not take the heat, so they left the > kitchen. > Damn!!! > > Dick Goulet > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Author: "CHAN Chor Ling Catherine (CSC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 12/26/2001 4:50 PM > > I quite agree with Kimberly. I used to be a full-fledge Oracle > programmer > but wanted to dabble with database administration. I asked my boss > whether > I > could be a database administrator. His answer is yes but I still need > to > maintain my current systems. Now, I am a database > administrator-cum-programmer. I support turnkey projects, automate > processes for my users, maintain current projects, install/maintain > database > & support Oracle Applications etc. > > Prepare for lots of OT but what the heck, U will get to learn a lots > of > interesting things in the process .... > > New Bees > -----Original Message----- > From: Kimberly Smith > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 1:40 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: database administration questions > > If you work on a site like I do you could always > cross > train. I am always > looking for suckers (um, people) to be my backup. > Right > now > I use one from > the Unix team and one from the development team. Its > the > only way I get to > take vacations and what no. Check with your current > DBA > and > see if they are > willing to train you while you are off doing your > 'real' > job. Of course, > there are some folks who are worried about job > security (or > are just > assholes) > and they would not give you the time of day. You > don't > want > to learn from > those folks anyway. The excuse, "I'm too busy" is > not > really valid either. > Training someone allowed me to offload some of my > work. > > -----Original Message----- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 5:30 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > With your current background, your more likely to > land a > job > as a network > administrator LONG before you'll end up in a database > position. Access is > still > looked on as a single user system and frankly I > haven't run > into any large > scale > applications that use it, period. One of my current > tasks > is working with a > forecasting package that states in the manual that > Access > should only be > used > for the demos. Any other application of the package > should > use Oracle or > DB2. > Also a SPC (Statistical Process Control, for those > who > don't > know, don't ask > further) package we're evaluating (actually two of > them) > won't work with > Access > even for the demos. Therefore, I'd suggest staying > with > the > networking > world. > It will be around as long as database administration, > if > not > longer. Your > already trained and certified, and getting a Cisco > certification is no small > feat. If you really want to move into database > admin, your > probably looking > at > 2 to 3 years of learning and smaller paychecks as you > pay > your dues. > > BTW: A database restore usually takes a lot longer > than > fixing a network > outage, > to boot. > > Dick Goulet > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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