Gene - I'll be interested in the relies you garner. I'm just starting down
the RMAN road. Takes awhile to understand just how it works and it isn't
easy to work with. Originally we were going to use it with Veritas, but
according to knowledgeable people on this list, that is where RMAN gets
pretty complex. So I decided to start by using RMAN with disk files and
after I get some experience and confidence with that, then revisit the idea
of using a media manager like Veritas or Legato. Fortunately, I am
responsible for several production databases, so I am starting with the
smallest, and I can easily hold the files RMAN creates on disk. 
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Speaking of Rman, has anyone used it directly interfaced w/ Legato
networker?  I have to park my trusty scripts and learn Rman w/ Legato.  Any
gotchas I should be aware of.  I know to keep a sep schema for each Oracle
version, anything else?  Reason for this is that I have a 1tb db of blobs
and I need to do incremental backups and I understand Rman is the tool.
Thanks for any insight on these products.

Gene

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Instead of writing a fancy backup script, why not learn and use Rman?  It
does everything that is needed - backup, removal of archivelog files, easily
restore to any point in time.

a real no-brainer.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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Personally I would challenge myself with writing a backup script that
rotated the data files not being backed up.  Then I would make sure that I
had all of my archived redo logs available and backed up.  This way you
could recover anything with a minimum amount of effort.  Have you tried
zipping your data files after each individual copy?  You will get pretty
good compression most of the time.  You can zip your archived redo logs as
well.  If your database is in archive log mode then you don't necessarily
have to do a cold backup.  You could kick a hot one off in the middle of the
day.

Also, to ensure that the data files are not being updated put the
tablespaces in read-only mode.  If you get a call complaining of an error
then you know better!

Good luck :)

--Michael


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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:40 PM
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If all of the datafiles you restoring are in 1 tablespace you can do a
tablespace restore/recovery.  How ever, if there are some datafiles in the
tablespace that are not included in the backup, I think you will not be able
to do a tablespace restore.

HTH,
Ruth
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We perform disk-to-disk offline backups on a nighlty basis.  Database is
running in archived log mode.  Due to space contraints (don't ask =:-[ ) we
are currently forced to backup only some of the data files.  The data files
excluded belong to specific schema owners and are not being updated, or so
I'm informed =:-0.  I'm trying to get my head around what the recovery
implications are if some of the data files not backed up have being updated
and a recovery is required?.  I expect it depends on what the recovery
scenario is.  So whats worst case scenario and what would my options, if any
be?.


Oracle 7.3.3, 8.0.5, 8.1.7
NT4, W2K
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Seán O' Neill
Organon (Ireland) Ltd.
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