I agree, but at all costs... DOCUMENT EVERYTHING so it proves you made your suggestions and then went by the book on following what he decreed. We are facing similar problems (although not quite to your degree) and we are going to do two proof of concepts... on that denormalizes EVERYTHING into big GIANT tables (very nearly 1000 columns each)... because queries run so much faster if you take all the joins out... and one using a star-flake kind of model because it follows the standard (to the Nth degree)... we will ADOPT something about halfway in between... but we need to waste the time now following protocol to prove what we already know.
Good Luck! ajw -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Don, if as you are saying this guy is v headstrong then use the "Chinese approach". 1. Ensure that you have backed up your argument with a design or at least a doc outlining your approach showing that views and associated tables will ensure performance ..... 2. Send your emails to him and to others so that there is a trace. 3. Then wait and let it blow up. This should not take too long as the spec never included any indexes either. This way you have followed his design to the letter. 4. Let the users kill him when they have to wait 2 hours for the statement to return a value. 4. This means that you will have time to perfect a design using a CASE tool. 5. In the end his table could be used as a staging area Just wait don't get annoyed, smile. Just think you can have his job soon. Kind Regards Peter Lomax (Oracle DBA) Expertise Oracle ORANGE/DSI/SIMBAD/AT&P OrangeFrance Bureau: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: (+33) (0)1 55 22 59 13 fax: (+33) (0)1 55 22 39 69 Simbad sailing through UMTS. -----Message d'origine----- De : Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mercredi 27 février 2002 07:48 À : Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Objet : Manager decrees "his" data warehouse design. Help! I've lost patience, my temper, and I'm about to quit a job because the IT manager has decreed that we will have "his" data warehouse running within 24 hours, and we will use his design. 1 - We are NOT to use any kind of views, not even materailzed views. 2 - we are not to do any computations, summaries or rollups 3 - we are to have everything in one table 4 - "the" table name and column names will be meaningful to any clerk 5 - we are not to "start" or "snowflake" designs. "That's just a bunch of high power talk." 6 - all users will be trained to use MS Access to get at "their" data. (These are users that were just converted off from "green screen" teminals within the last 45-days, to Windows 98 with 64k RAM.) 7 - We are not to just copy the legacy transactions. 8 - We are to load into "an" Oracle table, all legacy transction data because "we don't want to limit how or what a user will look at" 9 - It is not necessary to talk with the users to see what data they want to look at, or the atomic level. "They are smart enough to fighure this out on their own. We just need to provide them the data." 10 - There shall be no long term maintenance required by "the" dw. Any ideas on how to deal with this situation? For tomorrow, I've done a CTAS from a materialized view that we created to support one departments known requirements. 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