YUP they sure have. I wonder what they'll look like in another 20 years? ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Author: Peter Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 6/4/2002 10:31 AM
Guess we had different experiences. OSF was being replaced in favor of digital unix when I started my sys admin days on DECs. They were also Oracle's preferred platform at the time. Things have changed a lot since then. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Peter, > > Please allow me to disagree. I came from the > USAF with a very deep love for > DEC hardware and software (VAX/VMS), only to be VERY > disappointed by them when I > was presented with DEC Ultrix. Their straying into > the Unix world was a real > nightmare. First off their sales folks over sold > the capabilities of the > 5000/240 workstation. A database server it was not. > Ultrix was a failure right > out of the gate. That monster combination was a > guarantee that I would get a > page every night that it was here and the server a > re-boot. It finally took me > three years to get a Ultrix tech to admit that they > had not implemented a > TCP_KEEP_ALIVE capability into Ultrix and that I > would never see it. At that > time the only path was to upgrade to an Alpha with > OSF-1 which was crashing on a > daily basis. Oracle back then recommended a cold > backup of the database twice a > day. One of the soccer dads whose's daughter was on > the same team as mine was a > DEC/Compaq employee. His recommendation was to stay > away from OSF at all costs. > He was one of the lucky ones when Compaq sold off > the CASE tools operation. Oh > how I would have loved moving back onto a VAX, but > DEC was not interested in > that platform any more and HP's 9000 platform was > not only cheaper to acquire > and support, but faster and more capable as well. > We benchmarked a DEC Ultrix > box specifically tailored by DEC to database work > against an HP9000 that 'just > happen to between owners'. The DEC was a multi > processor unit, stuffed with > every bite of RAM it could hold, multi scsi ports > with load balancing on their > (at that time) best disk system and a custom Oracle > install with a highly tuned > (by DEC engineers) Ultrix kernel. We passed then a > dmp file with 1 million rows > of data for two tables and 4 SQL scripts to run > against the data. Took them all > day to get the results. Did the same test with the > HP that had minimal RAM, one > scsi port and only the internal drives and a default > Oracle install and only > that tweaking of the HP kernel in Oracle's install > manual. Same test ran in 4.5 > hours hands down. I left DEC behind at that time, > never to return. As of > today, I love the HP's I have to work with. I do > not believe them to be > outclassed anywhere and that they do outclass all in > terms of reliability and > dependability. I must admit to really enjoying a > server platform that does it's > job day in and day out for months or years without > so much as a burp. I'm sure > that part of that are three very good SA's, but the > hardware/OS speaks for > itself as well. > > I did not shed one tear when DEC fell to Compaq, > and will not now that > Compaq is falling to HP. I am sure that the good of > DEC/Compaq will find it's > way into HP-UX as well as the HP9000 series. So > we've only good things to look > forward to. > > Dick Goulet > > ____________________Reply > Separator____________________ > Author: Peter Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 6/4/2002 8:08 AM > > It's a shame that Digital had such good computer > scientists and such lousy marketing. Digital Unix > and > the AlphaServer were the most stable Unix boxes in > the > world. Compaq never did understand the gem it > purchased and HP will never admit that their current > generation of hardware was outclassed by Digital 10 > years ago. > > All good runs must come to an end. It is just too > bad > that the end is an execution by technical nitwits. > > > --- DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Stephane, Hemant > > Below is the official word that I pulled off > HP's > > website. It is > > straight PR material, so read between the words as > > you choose. As I recall, > > Compaq had already decided not to build the > > next-generation Alpha chip > > before the merger arose. If you are interested, I > > would suggest that you > > attend the HP roadshow when it comes to a city > near > > you and ask them the > > hard questions yourself. Having worked for a > > computer manufacturer in the > > past, I can assure you that the manufacturer would > > appreciate it if you > > bought the last system to come off the production > > line, then never called > > them for support. My company plans to continue > > operating our Tru64 systems > > for several years to come, and they have provided > > wonderful service. But > > we're purchasing new Sun systems. > > > > "In this session, an HP Executive will highlight > the > > important current and > > future role HP's business critical and high > > performance AlphaServer(tm) > > products play. We will also discuss the latest > > advancements across the hp > > AlphaServer product family, the latest on the > future > > ItaniumR processor > > family, and provide an update on the related > > operating systems strategy. In > > particular, we will share the updated OpenVMS(tm) > > roadmap for continued > > development and support on the AlphaServer > platform > > as well as a review of > > the progress to date for porting OpenVMS to > > ItaniumR-based systems. > > Discussion will also include the most > > up-to-the-minute plans for integrating > > Tru64(tm) UNIXR into HP-UX on the ItaniumR > > architecture and the continued > > development and support of Tru64 UNIX on the > > AlphaServer platform." > > > > Dennis Williams > > DBA > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:53 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > I'd never heard that Oracle has stopped > > or is stopping support for Tru64. > > We have more than 35 production databases > > on Tru64 and have no intention of moving > > out of Alpha-Tru64 in a hurry. We're even > > looking at upgrading a mission critical > > 8iOPS cluster on Tru64 to 9iRAC on Tru64. > > > > Hemant K Chitale > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, 02 June, 2002 9:28 PM > > > > > > > Stephane Faroult wrote: > > > > > > > ...Historically, Oracle was a port to > > > > Digital (remember this brand?) > > > > > > Interesting. I'm reading this list because of a > > recent > > > project to retire the Digital-Alpha > workstations. > > > The main reason that these machines must be > > de-commissioned is > > > because Oracle stopped supporting Tru64. > > > (Although it needs to be done EVENTUALLY, since > > Alpha > > > is basicly dead anyway.) > > > > > > The Alphas were bought to retire the VMS from > 4-7 > > years ago! > > > > > > Talk about unfortunate planning! > > > -- > > > Aaron Birenboim | The top three attributes of a > === message truncated === ===== Pete Barnett Lead Database Administrator The Regence Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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