Thanks, Tony. If that were the case, the second test (scope=spfile) should not have failed.
Oracle Support left a v-mail to me stating that they are considering this a bug. And wanted to talk to me about more testing. I will get with them later today (or tomorrow). Regards. - Kirti > -----Original Message----- > From: Aponte, Tony [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:37 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Where is Oracle 9.2 init.ora? > > On my version of UNIX (Solaris) moving/removing a file that is in use only > affects the directory entry and not the actual payload on disk. I suspect > that the spfile was held open by your sqlplus program and it executed the > I/O operation using the open file descriptor. I've participated in > similar (and unplanned) tests with ufs-based file systems where all of the > underlying files where rm-ed and the database continued to run. It > crashed when it tried to switch into the next and non-existent redo log > files. A post-mortem on the incident taught us that removing an open file > only removed the entry from UNIX's directory file but the cleanup was > postponed until the OS closed the last open handle for that i-node. > > HTH > Tony Aponte > > -----Original Message----- > From: Deshpande, Kirti [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 6:58 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Where is Oracle 9.2 init.ora? > > > All Right, Larry. Since we have the test servers and databases; and my > Company still pays for 'doing Oracle' the 'scary' way, here is another > 'scary thing' I did with SPFILE :) > (9iR1 on HP) > > SQL> conn / as sysdba > Connected to an idle instance. > SQL> startup <---- using spfile > > ORACLE instance started. > Total System Global Area 72273416 bytes > Fixed Size 437768 bytes > Variable Size 37748736 bytes > Database Buffers 33554432 bytes > Redo Buffers 532480 bytes > Database mounted. > Database opened. > SQL> show parameter db_cache_size > NAME TYPE VALUE > ------------------------------------ ----------- > ------------------------------ > db_cache_size big integer 33554432 > > SQL> !mv spfileKED9.ora spfileKED9.ora.bak <-- hide the spfile > > SQL> !ls -l *.ora > -rw-r--r-- 1 oracle dba 12920 May 10 2001 initdw.ora > > SQL> alter system set db_cache_size=10M scope=both; <-- try to set a new > > value > > System altered. <--- No problem? > > SQL> show parameter db_cache_size > > NAME TYPE VALUE > ------------------------------------ ----------- > ------------------------------ > db_cache_size big integer 12582912 > > --> New value in effect. > > SQL> !ls -l *.ora > -rw-r--r-- 1 oracle dba 12920 May 10 2001 initdw.ora > > --> Still no SFILE.... > --> Now, why would not Oracle tell us that there was no spfile to process > SCOPE=BOTH ? > > SQL> c/both/spfile > 1* alter system set db_cache_size=10M scope=spfile > SQL> / > alter system set db_cache_size=10M scope=spfile > * > ERROR at line 1: > ORA-27037: unable to obtain file status > HP-UX Error: 2: No such file or directory > Additional information: 3 > > -->This is what should have happened with SCOPE=BOTH as well, or at least > a > warning that SCOPE=BOTH was processed as SCOPE=MEMORY since there was no > SPFILE available. I would not have objected if Oracle re-recreated SPFILE > in > the default location and told me so! > > If anyone has seen any mention of this particular behaviour of SCOPE=BOTH, > I > would like to know the source of that information. I have searched > Metalink, > Google but have not come across any. I have created an iTar with OWS. > Thanks. > > As I said before, SPFILE has some things that need to be made fool proof. > > This time I did not drink prior to doing this 'scary' stuff !! ;-) > > Regards, > > - Kirti > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry Elkins [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:03 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: Where is Oracle 9.2 init.ora? > > > > Man, it scares the heck out of me too that Jared and Kirti are actually > > "doing Oracle" -- I can't believe companies actually pay them ;-) > > > > And you two guys, and I'm talking to you Kirti and Jared, probably dig > in > > and do things you shouldn't on test boxes just to see how things work > and > > to > > learn. FWIW, I've heard rumors about other people doing similar things. > > You've probably even intentionally crashed a DB or pulled the plug just > to > > see if you could recover. Shame on you two. You should both be banished > > from > > the list for doing such unconventional things ;-) > > > > And neither of you will ever be allowed close to a DB I deal with -- > I'll > > call ltiu from now on ;-) > > > > Larry > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]On Behalf Of > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 8:08 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: RE: Where is Oracle 9.2 init.ora? > > > > > > > > > Some of us have been around the block a few times. :) > > > > > > Editing binary files is no big deal. > > > > > > You neophytes are all the same. > > > > > > Jared > > > > > > ltiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > 07/12/2002 04:28 PM > > > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > cc: > > > Subject: RE: Where is Oracle 9.2 init.ora? > > > > > > > > > You DBA's must be drunk. > > > > > > Spfiles are in binary format and if you open it in a text editor, all > > you > > > see > > > are weird characters. > > > > > > Man. You guys are actually doing Oracle? Scares me. > > > > > > ltiu > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: <http://www.orafaq.com> > -- > Author: Deshpande, Kirti > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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