you can see how often I use the GUI :) OBTW.. for those of you who are OEM fans... I heard a rumor (from a fairly well-informed, usually accurate source) that Oracle's changing it all again.
T --- April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IT'S NOT a radio button... It is a regular CLICKY button.... geez > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 10:24 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Good rant. :) > > I sympathize. The answer I get more and more is "I click on this item > on the GUI..." (I didn't ask you that, I asked you the theory behind > that little radio button) > > > --- mkb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok, I need to vent a little. > > > > Last week, I was asked to do some tech interviews over > > the phones for a mid level DBA position. Someone with > > about 2-3 years experience. > > > > I don't consider myself a real smart DBA, nor do I > > think that I ask particularly tough questions. The > > questions that I ask potential candidates are soley > > based on what is on the resume. So I figure if > > someone has, say, hot backups or SQL tuning on their > > resumes, I'd expect them to be able to hold a fairly > > intelligent conversation about these topics. No such > > luck! > > > > What really frustrated me, and what I really want to > > get out of my system, is that nobody that I talked to, > > had a real good concept of hot backups. Forget about > > recovery. I asked each and every candidate who > > claimed to have done hot backups, just give me a high > > level overview of how you do a hot backup. Don't care > > about syntax, just give me the mechanics. The answers > > I got were completely off base, baffling and > > frustrating. Some of these folks claimed to have 5 > > years experience!!! > > > > 'Well, we use scripts to do these, so I'm not sure how > > these are done...' (But it says on your resume you've > > done this???) > > > > 'Oh, I take the tablespace offline, and copy the > > datafile to tape...' (Unless I'm mistaken, that's not > > how a hot backup is done, right?) > > > > 'Well, I use the export utility, and as the backup > > starts, it is written to the dump file.' (Huh? What?) > > > > 'During this time, everything is written to the redo > > logs and not to the tablespace...' (You've been > > reading one of those books, haven't you?) > > > > I also asked them how they'd put a tablespace in > > backup mode. Simple enough, right? Not one of them > > got it right. Not even close. Didn't have clue as to > > what I was talking about. Fair enough, you don't > > know. Well how about a simple recovery scenario. I > > asked every candidate how they would do an online > > recover of a datafile while the database was still in > > use. No ideas. Not even close. > > > > I dunno, perhaps I'm spoilt by being a member of this > > list? Perhaps I expect every candidate to be as > > knowledgeable as you guys? Perhaps I'm asking too > > much? > > > > Rant over. 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