Currently IBM is trumpeting its lead in the database market over Oracle. IBM is also proudly boasting of its automated database management features. I think it is a safe bet that Oracle is working feverishly on its own automated database management features. MS SQL and its easy-to-use GUI interfaces is "so last year". Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:33 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello I do not state that Oracle's GUI tools are all unusable. The point is that the developers basically have to take of their instances without having that much Oracle DBA know how. They don't even want to deal OID and the like. But to have the same level of "comfortableness" that for example SQL Server (or DB2 UDB) offer (with GUI tool support) out of the box, you have to setup a bunch of extra stuff on Oracle (like OID). That's what annoys them. And I a) don't have the time and b) are not supposed to spend time on setting up OID (or anything else) for them. Another valid example would be the fact that on DB2 UDB and SQL Server, you have visual support for explain plan. Not that it makes much of a difference (same content, different presentation), but people like that GUI stuff and that leads to them regarding Oracle as "stone-age-out-of-date" stuff, especially (or only) if their used to work in a Windoze environment. Regards, Stefan Jahnke Consultant BOV Aktiengesellschaft Voice: +49 201 - 4513-298 Fax: +49 201 - 4513-149 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] visit our website: http://www.bov.de subscribe to our newsletter: http://www.bov.de/presse/newsletter.asp Behalten Sie den Ueberblick - mit dem neuen BasicOverView, unserer Seminaruebersicht fuer das 2. Halbjahr 2002. Sie haben noch kein Exemplar? Schreiben Sie eine E-Mail an mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] oder rufen Sie uns an unter 0 18 03 / 73 64 62 73! Wie Sie wissen, koennen ueber das Internet versandte E-Mails leicht unter fremden Namen erstellt oder manipuliert werden. Aus diesem Grunde bitten wir um Verstaendnis dafuer, dass wir zu Ihrem und unserem Schutz die rechtliche Verbindlichkeit der vorstehenden Erklaerungen und Aeusserungen ausschliessen. As you are probably aware, e-mails sent via the Internet can easily be copied or manipulated by third parties. For this reason we would ask for your understanding that, for your own protection and ours, we must decline all legal responsibility for the validity of the statements and comments given above. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Yechiel Adar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. August 2002 16:08 An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Betreff: Re: Guys: Is this worth $1,749 for 8 year Oracle veteran DBA I disagree with you guys. I am using the Database Configuration Assistance and Dbastudio a lot and had no problem with them. As for the tnsnames you can use name server or do as we do and start checking out the OID for central repository of databases. The GUI tools are a little :-) on the heavy side but they do their functions. Yechiel Adar Mehish ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:58 PM Hi That's true. You should at least have the option to use (usable;) GUI tools. Just yesterday, I had a developer (who usually works with SQL Server) asking me wether he always has to mess around with this client thing ... *what client thing ?*. Actually, he meant the tnsnames.ora. After a short monologue about Oracle Names and OID, he just popped up some SQL Server GUI stuff, that displayed a catalog of all DB servers, all databases, no files to maintain, no nothing, just works. So, what does one say then to justify the Oracle way ? Not much. Since usability influences decision makers (and younger developers) a lot, Oracle might loose here with the "You don't know all the command line tool options and SQL statements by heart ? - You're too stupid to work with Oracle, go ask your local Oracle guru or study your $%§ss off and get certified." Regards Stefan -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Stefan Jahnke INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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