I see in 9ir2, you can autbackup the control file and can restore it as 
a standalone before even mounting the db, then you can mount the db and 
start the restore process.

thanks for the info, the experimentation continues :)

joe


DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:

>Joe - I have been working on a disaster test for RMAN so we can quit doing
>weekly cold backups. I assumed the same as you, that RMAN writes its most
>recent information to the control file as well as the catalog (there is a
>retention parameter, so watch that). I tested no catalog recovery (just the
>control file) with a small practice database and it worked fine. Then I
>tried it with one of our production databases (recovering on a test system).
>RMAN ran for awhile, creating data files, and then stopped. I didn't get
>that issue debugged. Instead on my next try I loaded the RMAN catalog and
>went that route. Got interrupted on another project and haven't gotten back
>to it.
>    One thing I have learned from disaster recovering RMAN is that you need
>to write a copy of the control file to the backup tape. While RMAN will
>backup the control file, it can't create it if there is no control file
>present. RMAN must first mount the database and it can't do that unless the
>control file is there. Once it has the database mounted, then RMAN can
>refresh the control file.
>    My experience applies to Oracle 8.1.6, using disk file backups.
>Dennis Williams 
>DBA 
>Lifetouch, Inc. 
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>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:57 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>I've tested this and it works, i'm looking for verification of theory.
> 
>1.  built 2nd db for repository.
>2.  built repository and registered db
>3.  full backup via rman.
>4.  disconnect from RMAN
>5.  reconnect only to target
>6.  shutdown/startup mount target
>7.  restore database.
>  It states, using controlfile.
>8.  recover database.
> 
> 
>all looks good.  my question is even though i'm using a catalog during my
>backup and simulate a total loss of that db by NOT connecting to a catalog
>during restore, it was able to get the info from the control file.
> 
>IS this default behavior, that when using RMAN, the control file is ALWAYS
>written to even if a catalog is being used during the backup phase?
> 
>Is this a safety net for those who might not be backing up their repository
>database?
> 
>thanks, joe
> 
>ENV:  linux rh 7.3, oracle 9.2.0.1
> 
>



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