Rick,
        I will assume that all logs are properly backed up.
        The only difference in the recoverability of the 2 scenarios is that
an incomplete recovery cannot be done to a time while any tablespace in the
database is in hot backup mode. So, there is a window of exposure in
Scenario 1, that does not exist in 2. For this reason, it is recommended
that each tablespace be placed in backup mode, the files copied, the
tablespace taken out of backup mode and the process sleeps for 1 minute.
Repeat with the next tablespace, etc.
        In terms of backup, Scenario 2 is simpler to implement. But it also
requires downtime. If the backup process fails, the database is probably
down. In Scenario 1, if the backup process fails, the database is still up
(but may need some assistance to return to normal operations).
        To answer your question directly, your co-worker is correct (given
the assumption stated above). If the database is taken down in a consistent
mode, technically speaking you don't need the redo logs. However, it will
complicate the recovery.

Dan Fink

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Hi DBAs,

A co-worker and I disagree on impact of slightly different B&R scenarios
and I would like your thoughts.

Environment for both scenarios: Oracle 8.1.6, WinNt, Archivelog mode, not
using RMAN

Scenario 1:
       I do standard Hot Backup using
     BEGIN BACKUP
          OCOPY ...
     END BACKUP
                .....

        If database crashes I perform media recovery then recover database.

Scenario 2:
     Co-worker shuts down database and copy all files to backup directory.
     Restarts database backup
                If database crashes restore backup files then apply the
archive logs.

Co-worker says both scenarios are the same. I think scenario 1 results in
no loss where scenario 2 results in the loss
of data that was in the online redo logs.

Any thoughts on this?
Also what is the minimum system/object priviledges a user needs to perform
B&R. I would like to create a user with only those
privs necessary for B&R.

Thanks
Rick


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