Paula - You're losing me on the connection between SQL and GUI. I can see a
connection between command-line DBA actions and GUI DBA tools. And some GUI
report writing tools create SQL for you, but usually we DBAs are called when
it creates bad SQL code and we must straighten it out.  
     So have you passed all 5 OCP modules?



Dennis Williams 
DBA, 40%OCP 
Lifetouch, Inc. 
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I took the SQL exam first and had no problems although I have heard others
have.  I think it has to do with how I learned - I forced myself to use SQL
before getting hooked into a GUI tool of any kind.  In the long-run that is
a good approach as you will always have that but might not always have the
GUI.

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Eva - Everything I've heard says that all the exam questions come out of the

Oracle University class Student Guides. To put it bluntly, your goal is to 
pass the exam. You could study the Oracle manuals, but there is a lot of 
material to cover and what strikes you as important might not be covered on 
the exam, and vice-versa. Essentially you are getting two levels of 
filtering. Somebody read the manuals and used that to prepare student 
guides, then a group of Oracle instructors read the student guide and 
prepared questions. I think that most of the exam guides were prepared from 
the Oracle Student Guides and the author has at least taken the exam, so 
they have a general idea of how the test is approached. Everyone has their 
favorite exam preparation book and I consider this a worthwhile investment, 
I bought Couchman - 
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   Two issues: Which exam track are you planning to take? 9i? 8i? 
   The advice I received is "don't take the SQL exam as your first exam". 
Take the DBA exam first. The SQL exam is reported to be quite hard because 
it covers all the odd SQL functions and can really catch you unawares. As a 
practicing DBA you should find the DBA exam pretty easy. I didn't personally

take that path for my own reasons, but I still consider it good advice. 



Dennis Williams 
DBA, 40%OCP 
Lifetouch, Inc. 
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Hello Everyone, 

1. I have now made the humungous decision to start studying and to write the

OCP exams. 
2. Do I study out of the Oracle Manuals? 
3. I do have the Sybex Study Guides, would studying these be all that is 
needed? 
4. Or do the questions come out of the Course material ( Which I have not 
attended ). 
5. I do have some of the Oreilly "Insect" Books - would these be any help? 

Any views, opinions etc appreciated. 
Regards 
Denham Eva 
Oracle DBA 
"UNIX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to

understand the simplicity." 
Dennis Ritchie. 



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