That's where IBM's 1billion comes in. -- Lyndon Tiu
Quoting DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > That is the problem with free stuff. There isn't a big expensive hype > machine around to push it. > > Dennis Williams > DBA, 40%OCP > Lifetouch, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:49 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > You're right .. but when will it become ready? MS always said their NT3.5 > is > > enterprise eady, they said NT4.0 is enterprise ready, W2K is enterprise > ready, .Net is enterprise ready. It's all in the marketing. If enough > people > > like me say Linux is ready, then it becomes ready. Readiness is relative. > > I'd say it's ready enough. > > Maybe not SAP specifically. > > But if you havn't heard, Oracle software runs on Linux fine with a lot of > support available for it already today - Dell, RedHat, Oracle & IBM all > support Linux. > > -- > Lyndon Tiu > > On Wednesday 13 November 2002 05:39 am, Jared Still wrote: > > Lyndon, > > > > I like linux. I've been using it for 10 years now. > > > > It still isn't ready to run my production SAP systems though. > > > > I don't mean that it's not capable of doing so, it's very capable. > > > > There is not the history of support and stability that is needed > > to trust my enterprise data to it. My Oracle dev server? No > > problem, I love it. > > > > Will I put my butt on the line for bleeding edge technology? > > > > No way. SAP runs our business, pure and simple. If it's down, > > we are not selling product, we are not producing product. > > > > I'm not ready to trust linux that far yet. > > > > Jared > > > > On Monday 11 November 2002 19:34, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > > > Seriously now. > > > > > > I know you are trying to evaluate Solaris and Windows, but ... > > > > > > Linux is the way to go. Sun's are expensive machines. > > > > > > NT/2K are cheap(er) but locks you into an expensive software upgrade > > > cycle. > > > > > > Linux costs very little and runs on cheap hardware. > > > > > > -- > > > Lyndon Tiu > > > > > > On Monday 11 November 2002 06:58 pm, Stephen Lee wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Now that that's out of the way, what I am trying to do is find > > > > objective material comparing the use of MS Windows 2000 > > > > Server on Intel HW to Solaris on Sun HW. > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > My personal bias against Windows is based mostly on three things. > > > > > > > > 1. Incompatibility with everything else. Microsoft makes its > products > > > > as incompatible as it can get away with so that once you start going > > > > down the Microsoft path, you become more and more locked into that > > > > path. > > > > > > > > 2. It is a single-user operating system. Microsoft has done a > pretty > > > > good job of making it look otherwise by tacking on some multi-user > > > > extensions; but it is, in fact, NOT a multi-user OS. Just try > creating > > > > a general user so that user can install, upgrade, and maintain their > > > > application without having administrator privilege. It ain't gonna > > > > happen. And that brings up the main problem with this arrangement: > > > > Every user that must support an application on the box must have > > > > administrator privilege. This, of course, presents a completely > > > > insecure environment. > > > > > > > > 3. In its "normal" form, there is an amazing lack of the kind of > > > > support and scripting utilities the are normal on Unix. True, if one > > > > wants to spend the time, many of the utilities can be set up on NT; > but > > > > that involves additional setup and maintenance time -- which your NT > > > > admins might not be inclined to do if the bureaucracy of your > > > > organization requires that they do it. If your scripting abilities > are > > > > substantial, then you, no doubt, automate many things with scripts. > If > > > > you have built these scripts with a non-standard environment, then > you > > > > have built your house on shifting sand. (By the way, this is why I do > > > > not fully support Linux.) > > > > > > > > I must agree that I do like the Dell Poweredge stuff. I was using it > > > > years ago, and the value is certainly compelling. It's too bad that > > > > Sun did the same thing with Solaris on Intel that IBM did to OS/2 > (got > > > > very stuck up about it and over-priced the crap out of everything > until > > > > it was too late). But the Sun hardware (and IBM too) ain't all that > > > > shabby either. And my past experience -- when I was a sys admin work > > > > -- with Sun customer support was very positive. IBM .... eh, so-so > ... > > > > maybe. > > > > > > > > Perhaps another thing to consider: If you have ever tried to upgrade > > > > the OS on a NT box supporting third-party applications, I suspect you > > > > discovered that it can be an excrutiatingly painful experience ... If > > > > you even succeeded at all. > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Lyndon Tiu > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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