You best be careful, Jared. You KNOW how uptight and evil Tim can be! :)

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Oh boy, is my face red!

I remembered that of course, as soon  as I saw this.

I need to keep better track of who I'm plagierizing.  :)
Jared






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The ultimate sincerest form of flattery is for someone to attribute
something smart to you that you wish you had done but, alas, did not
actually do.

(It was Tim Gorman who posted the excellent analogy.)


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> >And "old school" is still right about not putting RedoLogs onto
RAID5.

> From what I'm being told, this is not your father's RAID5.  This is
what 

>they tell me:

> The CPU hands the IO to the disk controller and rather than do the
> physical disk IO while the process waits, the disk controller caches
> it to local memory and says done.  Therefore, effectively there is no
> wait for IO and it doesn't matter if we are RAID 5 or RAID 0+1,
> the system is NOT waiting for the IO. He said the only time there
might
> be a delay is during the cache's battery refresh times. I checked your
> dates and it was not occurring during those times. Also, if you look
> at the iostat statistics under the 'wait' and '%w' headers you will
> see all zeros.

Debi, 

That is true, up to a point.

Think of the cache as a water tank.  You have a garden hose
filling up the tank.  You can keep increasing the water
pressure for a while.

But the outlet at the other end of the tank has a fixed
capacity.  It flows 10 GPM, and no more.

What happens when you increase the flow at the intake to
20 GPM?

The tank fills up. 

When the tank fills up, your intake flow will need to decrease,
because you can only flow 10 GPM at the outlet.

Now, think of the outlet as writing to disk, the RAID5 cache
is the water tank, and your database is the inlet that wants
to run at 20 GPM.

If your database activity will never be intensive enough to 
stress the cache like this, no problem.  But 'never' is a
very long time.

If any of this sound familiar, Cary Millsap posted a very similar
explanation a few weeks ago.

Plagierism is the sincerest form of flattery.  :)

Jared


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