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Miller, Jay wrote:
Kirti, Thanks for suggesting the Note, I'm reading it now. I tried replying to you directly but my thank you was blocked by your company's spam filter. I'm really curious to know what key word flagged it as spam. Oracle?Jay -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L freelist groups is 1 -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What is the FREELIST GROUPS for the table? Waleed -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 3:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Just for grins, here's the level of support I'm getting on my Oracle TAR: ---------------------------------- You had stated earlier: 1/ After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats in DBA_TABLES: num_freelist_blocks: 2266966 avg_space_freelist_blocks: 3895 Unless I'm misreading this I should have had over 8Gig available for inserts. 2/ I've had to add another data file and it has already grown to 600 Meg. If the table is only 600 mb, then there is no way that it can have 8 gb of free space. Since you have a lot of blocks with some free space, you may want to export and import the table back to re-org the table... ---------------------------------- Someone should inform these people that a table can consist of more than one datafile... -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I had one thought. The Freelist parameter for this table is only set to 1. Is it possible that if it gets tied up with contention for the freelist that it grabs a new extent? I see that some of these blocks are being written to, the num_freelist_blocks is now down to 2095705. But the new data file has grown to 600 Meg. I've opened a TAR to see what Oracle says but I'm not encouraged by the first question they sent me (which was asking to query dba_free_space). Jay -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 6:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is what degree of parallelism is defined for the table? What is the next extent size set to? If the table is paralleled, EACH parallel worker will grab a next extent sized segment. (Been bit by this a few times...) How many indexes and are they in the same tablespace? Ron Thomas Hypercom, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Each new user of a new system uncovers a new class of bugs. -- Kernighan JayMiller@TDWater house.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why? 12/02/2002 02:04 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Yep, I agree that coalescing is irrelevant in my current situation. In any event there was no free space until I added the additional datafile but there was the 8gig of space on the freelists. Jay -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, if pctincrease is zero, and there are a large number of contiguous smaller extents, SMON will not automatically coalesce the tablespace. However, whether or not SMON does an automatic coalesce, if you need an extent that is larger than any of the small ones, Oracle will coalesce those smaller extents to make the one you need. so Jay would not have needed to add a datafile no matter what, if he was not doing a direct path insert. As for meeting in person.... there is a user group meeting on Dec 12 (check www.nyoug.org for details). You can meet me, and more importantly you can meet Tim Gorman, Dan Fink, Arup Nanda and Anita Bardeen, also of this list. They are all presenting :) I saw Priscilla about a month ago, haven't talked with her since. Rachel --- Richard Ji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Rachel, What I mean to say is when there are a lot of contiguous smaller free extents. Then coalesce will produce a larger free extent so Jay wouldn't have to add a datafile for his table to grow. On the automatically coalescing part, I believe SMON will only coalesce when pctincrease != 0, or has that changed? My understand could be outdated. With LMT one doesn't have to worry about it. Have a Happy Thanksgiving. PS, I am in New York too, would love to meet you in person some time. Have you talked to Priscilla lately? Richard Ji -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L how would coalescing help even if there were a lot of smaller free extents? Oracle would do the coalesce automatically, there would be no difference between manually coalescing or allowing Oracle to do it when a new extent was needed. --- Richard Ji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Coalescing might help if there are many smaller free extents that can be coalesced. But that still doesn't solve Jay's problem. Because he doesn't want the table to extent at all since he just deleted 2 million rows so there are plenty of space within the segment itself. Those free blocks should be used, unless he is doing a direct path insert which will only use space above the HWM. Richard Ji -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L did u coalesced the tablespaces? -----Original Message----- Sent: sexta-feira, 29 de Novembro de 2002 17:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big table. However this wasjustafter I had deleted over 2 million rows in the table and we were only inserting 30,000. After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats inDBA_TABLES:num_freelist_blocks: 2266966 avg_space_freelist_blocks: 3895 Unless I'm misreading this I should have had over 8Gig availableforinserts. We tried the insert again and got the same error so I added a datafile and it went through (using about 40Meg of space in the new datafile). Why isn't it making use of the existing blocks on the freelist? 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