Ron,

  Are you saying that you use VMS backup commands to backup the database data files 
while the database is open?  This will result in unreliable backups unless you put the 
tablespaces in hot backup mode.  If you are not using RMAN, you should have a script 
that backs up each datafile without using the /incremental qualifier on the VMS backup 
command.
  If you are doing a cold backup with RMAN, the database should be a MOUNT state.  If 
it is mounted and open, then RMAN will do a hot backup.  RMAN won't care how many 
times you did a shutdown/startup before you execute your RMAN backup.

Jay  


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List,

OS OpenVms 7.3-1
Oracle 8.1.7 rel 3
Archivelog mode.
 We are trying to work through backup issues here and I have a
question.
The system nightly backup procedures backup up the disks used by Oracle
(software and data). A full backup works but an incremental does not
backup any files. Inorder to get the changed files to be backed up as an
incremental the sysadmin shutdown the database to flag the files as
changed.
Questions:
 How will the shutdown effect the RMAN backup if it does not know that
it was shutdown for a cold backup? 
Are there any possible problems doing a restore from the cold backup
and then using the RMAN backup/restore?

 I am still trying to figure out the OpenVms OS. Perserverience
required...!
Ron
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