RE: Veritas like RMAN?

[Gene Sais]

Thanks for the clarification. You got me nervous :) >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/23/03 04:09PM >>> that's not quite what I said. I said Oracle will not support hot backups done without putting the tablespace into "backup mode" unless that hot backup is done with RMAN. at least that's what I thought I was saying. you can still do the good old-fashioned "alter tablespace begin backup"/backup the datafiles/"alter tablespace end backup"  sort of hot backup or you can use RMAN and not have to do the begin/end backup --- Gene Sais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rachel  - I am confused, now mind you it doesn't take much :). Can > you > clarify on a statement you made?  Oracle will not support hot backups > unless done w/ RMAD?  I currently do hot backups w/ scripts using > IBM's > flashcopy.  Is the Oracle Tablespace hot backup mode no longer > supported?  Thanks, > Gene > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/23/03 03:04PM >>> > Michael >    But you do have a good reason why the client should hire you. ;-) > > Dennis Williams > DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA > Lifetouch, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > I was afraid of that.... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Performing Remote Agent backup > > Media Name: "Media created 7/18/2003 08:00:06 PM" > Backup of "\\FAILSAFE\V$ " > Backup set #11 on storage media #1 > Backup set description: "DailyBackup" > Backup Type: FULL - Back Up Files - Reset Archive Bit > Backup started on 7/19/2003 at 12:59:44 AM. > > Backup completed on 7/19/2003 at 1:11:05 AM. > Backed up 31 files in 4 directories. > Processed 5,785,060,909 bytes in  11 minutes and  21 seconds. > Throughput rate: 486.1 MB/min > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This doesn't give me a "warm" feeling. Alert log shows NOTHING. > > This is a manufacturing site where the click of a bar code > reader is moving materials from one location to another and > that may or may not occur at any time. I'm not positive that > one could say that this would never happen. Every time I've > been in there looking around random jobs are coming into > dbms_jobs in what appears to be all hours of the night. > > They have an export, but I think that's it. If they take > a backup on Sunday, I think everything is shutdown. It > MIGHT be good if the moon is right. > > Maks. > > -----Original Message----- > Rachel Carmichael > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > you don't have backups. Oracle will only support recovery from hot > backups taken when the tablespaces are not flagged as in backup mode > if > you do the backup via RMAN. > > Technically, if you are very very lucky, the moon is in the seventh > house and Jupiter has aligned with Mars, you *MIGHT* be able to use > the > hot backup taken without RMAN. If and only if there is absolutely NO > activity whatsoever in the database from the time the backup starts > until when it finishes. Even then, recovery is still not supported. > > > --- Michael Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I found no signs of RMAN being used in > > any way shape or form... > > > > I've been told they are doing "hot" backups > > using Veritas... HOWEVER, the alert log shows > > no signs what so ever of "alter tablespace > > xyz begin/end backup"... > > > > Can it do a good backup backing up live > > DB files and leaving no signs what so > > ever that backup took place. > > > > Is Veritas capable of this? > > > > If so, why is there a Veritas interface > > to RMAN??? > > > > Confusion, confusion... > > > > > > Michael Alan Kline, Sr. > > Principal Consultant > > Business to Business Solutions, LLC > > Phone: 804-744-1545  Cell: 804-314-6262 > > ICQ: 1009605, 975313 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.b2bsol.com > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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