Tim, James, Mogens, Group, Another BAARF advocate here...
However, I recognize Tim's problem when HW vendors: a) push raid5 or some form of autoraid. b) push for 8 separate disks of 125G each with only redo-files on them... While the BAARF initiative should continue in its simple, elegant and forcefull form (hammer the msg home), I want to place a call to Gary, Tim and others, to undertake A Revamp of the original OFA paper. Determine the new requirements (most of the old ones still stand!) and from the requirements, enhance the OFA-structure. It should take into account: - SAN capabilities (snapshotting and snapshot-logs or caches) - RAC and Clustered file systems, anticipate on 10G. - easy of admin: single point of admin per database, not per instance. - make provisions for (physical) copies (acceptance/testing/development) - standby-db constructions (including for RAC-dbs, and favour good-old-and-simple sqlplus ;-). - Weigh the importance of redo-speed against things like archive-storage and recoverability based on snap-copies. Separate redo-files only if redo is your bottleneck. Tip: Redo-files are the easiest db-files to move around: just add new groups... Any Takers ? Any ideas for a joint-effort ? Regards, PdV Oracle DBA. DTMWFI, FWIW, JMTC and YMWV (of course it will) PS: Frustration cost me my lunch break. Me too, Got bitten badly by a hardware vendor recently for _not_ putting aside 35% of my multi-TB disk-capacity exclusively for redos. Salesman dreams to sell an additional nr of disks at 5% utilization because of the trueism: "redo files should be on private, physical, devices". He even knew of OFA, the Oracle-FILE-Architecture :-). Any advertising, as long as they spell the name right.... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Piet de Visser INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).