But I thought you were already married? :)
Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -----Original Message----- Freeman Robert - IL Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rachel.... I thought everyone who worked in a bank was at least a Vice President...? :-)) Robert (Vice President of myself, looking for a President). -----Original Message----- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 8/27/2003 6:44 AM HR also doesn't have a "technical track" in many companies and the highest salaries usually go to those on the "management track"... so you either get promoted out of technical work and into management to get the salary you deserve (which kind of defeats the purpose) or the technical person sits at a lower pay level. When I left Citibank, I was a Vice President... not because I was an executive or management... but so that they could pay me what I was worth. --- Arup Nanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Part of the problem lies with the old human vices - jealousy comes > into mind, first. The problem is mostly not with companies but > immediate supervisers, who often struggle with the prospect that the > subordinate will > get more money - and they resent it to very core. They would rather > hire > someone off the street with more money than give the old failthful > the due > share. > > The other problem is the HR departments magic wand yardstick of salary > and compensation which dictates, often incorrectly, how much a > particular job's > adequate compensation is. Never mind the fact that a regular HR joe > doesn't > understand DBAs from Developers - so the highly paid "specialist" > boils it > dall own to a simple yardstick - number of years of experience! > > Several years ago I rose to the postition of the lead DBA at a company > when I was 24, but my salary was less than the lowest of the 15 DBAs > in the team. > Reason - my years of experience was simply didn't show high enough in > the > yardstick to warrant a higher salary. It was even more painful when I > was > the fail-over contact for all members of the team. When the pager > goes off > in the middle of the night, out I go to fix the problem in the HR > database > and just making sure all is well, especially in the salary table, > where the > "indisposed" team member's pay glares, almost mockingly! I left; the > new > person was almost myage, but the negotiated salary was higher. The HR > department's magic yardstick was broken by the departmental manager. > Similarly, the in the new place I went, there was no problem in > getting a > much fatter paycheck. Morale - when you stick around, you become "hoi > poloi"; the knight in the shining armor is the one who comes from > outside! > > Regards, > > Arup > > ----- Original Message ----- > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:49 PM > > > > Partially true. > > > > I've seen the IT cutbacks at a company where people almost never > > leave. Many IT folk have been there 10+ year, a surprising number > > of them 20+ years. > > > > The flip side to the salary story is something of a paradox. > > > > As a person became more experienced, learned new technologies, and > > as the company embraced more technologies, the employees at times > > may not be paid commensurate with their abilities. > > > > I experienced that once. The only way to increase my earning power > > was to leave. My salary jumped 50% immediately. This has no doubt > > happened to a number of folks. > > > > The silly side of this is that the former employer then had to hire > > a replacement at the going rate, or get a contractor in. > > > > Bottom line, they lose an experienced employee, and end up paying as > > much or more as if they had tried to retain said employee. > > > > Jared > > > > > > Jared > > > > > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 18:04, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > I think a lot of IT people "abused" the situation during the boom > days. > > > Company loyalty meant nothing ... we'll go wherever the biggest > paychecks > > > are. Don't stay anywhere too long. that's for losers. Change > jobs if > we > > > felt the least bit abused and unappreciated. That'll teach them > to > screw > > > with me! In general a holier-than-thou attitude. The times > allowed us > to > > > do that. > > > > > > But it also means a lot of non-IT people developed an opinion of > IT folk > as > > > not being team players, only out for themselves, not committed to > the > > > company, etc. > > > > > > So when the chance comes to cut back, where are you going to > look? :-) > > > > > > Dave > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > -- > > > Author: > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 > http://www.fatcity.com > > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting > services > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and > in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or > > > the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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