http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/04/1062548967124.html
A - This is social engineering at its finest. B - There is no security without PHYSICAL security C - If you don't check up on your outsourcer, then you can apparently get the shirt stolen off your back... v/r Stephen S. Wolfe, GS-11, DAFC Data Services Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] (813) 827-9974 DSN 651-9974 > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephane Paquette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:15 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Offshore threat > > > When working at International Air Transport Association > (IATA), the company moved around 60 jobs from Geneva and > London to Montreal because it was cheaper here. > > This is all business as usual. > > > > Stephane Paquette > Administrateur de bases de donnees > Database Administrator > Standard Life > www.standardlife.ca > Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -----Original Message----- > Mercadante, Thomas F > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 2:50 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > This is all very funny and interesting. Anybody read the > story in yesterday's NY times? Mexica has a concern that > their textile industry is being "stolen" by China because it > is cheaper to make products there than in Mexico. Sound familiar? > > "This is the business we have chosen to be into" Himen Roth > (and I know spelled his first name wrong). > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 2:10 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > It doesn't work in only one direction. While jobs are bieng > lost to cheaper labor markets, Indian companies now have to > compete with frighteningly efficient giants like Nike, Coca > Cola, IBM, Microsoft, GM, Union Carbide and others. Local > companies are losing the market and have to reduce their > workforce, driving the cost of labor further down and closing > the vicious circle. What is scary is the fact that we are an > order of magnitude more efficient then the rest of the world, > even with all our PHB's and damagement. How messed up is > everybody else? The only difference between a US DBA and a > cleaning leady, which has also been replaced by an immigrant > a long time ago, is the fact that the DBA has easier access > to the DBA mailing lists. If we weren't crying foul then, > there is no need to do it now. We will simply have to adjust > and do something else. The first thing that comes to mind is > becoming a lawyer. When I want to sue somebody, I'd like to > be represented by a cutthroat yankee lawyer, not by a very > polite and non-aggressive gentleman from India. Lawyers do > need a killer instinct, DBAs do not. For those of us who have > it, it's more of a hindrance then a useful tool. Lawyers and > politicians, fortunately for Indians, will never be > outsourced to India. Here is our chance. > > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > -----Original Message----- > Souto > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:55 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > LOL! > > Funny how this "globalisation" bull only > works in one direction, eh? > > Cheers > Nuno Souto > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----- Original Message ----- > > > ** Another programmer who lost his job to an Indian outsourcer is > > willing to relocate in India. But Indian officials have > told him they > > don't hire Americans. 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You may also send the HELP command for other > information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
