Hi Jeff, Stealing extents is normal when there is no free space available to grow the active undo segment. If expired extents are getting stolen, I would not worry too much about adding more space to the undo tablespace, but monitor how much undo space the segment takes up. If unexpired extents are getting stolen, then you may have to consider either adding more space, or reducing undo retention time. If the undo tablespace does not have enough space to accommodate your largest transaction, event after stealing extents, and the data files are not autoexensible, then you will get ORA-1650 (I think, that the error#). And to avoid it, auto undo management still needs to be monitored!
HTH, - Kirti --- Thomas Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kirti, > > Thanks for this information. I've implemented AUM in a number of our > development > databases. One of the things I have to do is write up a monitoring policy > to hand > to our contracted production DBAs -- guidelines on how to address certain > scenarios > and so forth -- otherwise, they will simply resort to adding 'more' of > whatever they > presume is in short supply in event of a production crisis. > > For example, I'm seeing some steal counts in v$undostat, implying that the > undo > tablespace needs more space. However, from what you are saying, it seems > that if > undo_retention is consistently larger then maxquerylen during the period of > time when > the steal counts occur, that maybe the smarter thing to do is simply reduce > the > undo_retention parameter before considering adding more space? > > > Jeff > > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:50 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > You can run following query to get an idea of undo generation rate and max > query length: > > SELECT > to_char(min(begin_time),'MM/DD/YYYY HH24:MI:SS') "Begin Time", > to_char(max(end_time),'MM/DD/YYYY HH24:MI:SS') "End Time", > (max(end_time)-min(begin_time))*24*60*60 "Seconds", > sum(undoblks) "UndoBlks", > sum(undoblks)/((max(end_time)-min(begin_time))*24*60*60) > "UndoBlksPerSec", > max(maxquerylen) "MaxQueryLenSecs" > FROM > v$undostat; > > Unfortunately, the TXNCOUNT column in v$undostat view in Oracle 9.2.0.x is > screwed up. It does not > correctly report the transaction count for the sample interval. Instead it > keeps accumulating. One > needs to do the math to get the correct count for the desired sample > interval. It will show the > time of high transaction activity with related undo generation. > > Oracle recommends setting undo_retention to the max(maxquerylen), but use > your judgement. If data > loads and queries accessing same tables, do not run at the same time (in DW, > for example), setting > undo_retention to a high number (maxquerylen) will simply waste disk space. > > If undo_retention is not set appropriately, you will get ORA-1555, and it > will be reported in > alert.log along with the affected SQL statement. The log entry will also > contain the query time, > in seconds, before it got aborted due to ORA-1555. > > Also, the above query works only when the database is using AUM. V$undostat > does not report > anything in 9.2.0.x when using MUM (manual undo mode). In 9.0.1, it returns > one useless row when > using MUM! > > BTW, you can also use the OEM to see the undo generation rate. It is one of > the few things in OEM > (standalone mode) I use. > > > Hth. > > - Kirti > > > <snip> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Kirtikumar Deshpande INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
