what is the bug? > > From: "Bellow, Bambi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/10/20 Mon PM 02:04:26 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: RE: CBO, RBO and will v5 ever really go away? > > Unfortunately, our applications fall into the second category. And due to > the complexity of the queries being run, attempting to turn on CBO also > activates a bug for which Oracle has a fix in v10.1 but will not do a > backport, and so, until we are ready to go to 10.1, we are stuck with RBO, > and because we develop a commercial product in use by the general public, > often in realtime situations (while people are driving their vehicles), our > need for QA is extraordinarily high, and a change in underlying platform > would trigger many many manmonths of labor. In short, if we were to > schedule an upgrade for business purposes on our time schedule, it would be > one thing, but we do not want to be forced into an upgrade by external > circumstance (read: Oracle bug). So, RBO is for us at this juncture. > > Bambi. > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:44 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > generally speaking there are two groups of people using the RBO. > > 1. The DBAs who have been around for 15 years and doesnt read release notes > and doesnt feel the need to read release notes or documentation because he > knows everything. He may have tried the CBO in 1995 and had 1-2 bad > experiences. > > 2. People who have to because they are using off the shelf cross platform > applications. They are required to use the RBO or their support contract for > these products will be invalidated. They are generally using the RBO for a > combination of 3 reasons. > > 1. They dont know what they are doing. > 2. They have a 'layered complex view' model. that goes multi-levels deep, > and has complex functions. They do this to make it easier to port to > multiple types of databases and keep prices down. CBO doesnt work well in > this condition. > 3. They tuned for the RBO 10 years ago and do not want to spend the time or > money tuning for the CBO because Oracle is just one of many databases that > they port to. They are trying to keep costs down for small shops and have to > really watch expenses. Most people who buy these applications dont have > large budgets. > > > > > > From: "Stephane Paquette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2003/10/20 Mon PM 01:29:26 EDT > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: CBO, RBO and will v5 ever really go away? > > > > 38 is my age, Mladen is 42 > > > > Stephane > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Bellow, Bambi > > Sent: 20 octobre, 2003 13:04 > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Let's do the time warp again! 2003-1961=42... But, I liked 1999 better... > > just a jump to the left... > > > > One thing about living in the past... > > The rent sure is cheaper. > > > > Bambi (feeling that 38 is a spry young thang) > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:44 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Is 38 that old ??? > > > > Stephane > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Mladen Gogala > > Sent: 17 octobre, 2003 18:00 > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Ah, another one who can claim experience. According to one of > > the previous post it's a genuine gold mine these days. Being born > > in the Jurassic (1961) has its advantages, but I have yet to find > > them. > > On 10/17/2003 05:29:31 PM, Stephane Paquette wrote: > > > And also SQL*Loader will be rename to ODL (Oracle Data Loader) > > > > > > Stephane > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Mladen Gogala > > > Sent: 17 octobre, 2003 17:19 > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > Bambi, Oracle 5.1.22 was an exceptionally stable version of oracle, > > > with very few parameters (names were "TABLES","INDEXES" and alike) > > > and, as such will forever be committed to our memory. > > > Furthermore, RBO is used in the data dictionary, just like the > > > datatype > > > LONG which has also, allegedly, been desupported but someone forgot > > > to > > > tell that to developers. There are things from V5.1.22 that I'm > > > missing > > > even today. There used to be something called "rpf/rpt" which was a > > > very good thing for writing quick command line reports without huge > > > and > > > buggy gooey interface. I started learning the only other language > > > that > > > has formats and page handling and is not COBOL when rpt/rpf was taken > > > away in 7.1 (your guess is correct, it's perl). In short, Oracle 5 > > > will > > > never go away. I here that in version 11, SQL*Plus will be renamed to > > > UFI (= User Friendly Interface) and there will be tools for > > > generating > > > simple forms called IAP, IAG and IAD... > > > On 10/17/2003 04:54:25 PM, "Bellow, Bambi" wrote: > > > > Friends -- > > > > > > > > I just got back from a week of benchmarking and one of the "issues" > > > > that > > > > came out of it was, due to some rather, um, interesting, coding > > > > techniques, > > > > running schema level statistics both wrecked performance *and* > > > > produced > > > > Oracle Bug 2954921. So we had to remove the statistics before > > > running > > > > additional tests. Of course, RBO is being desupported soon, so we > > > > really > > > > ought to modify things. But, this brings up another issue. See, > > > > Oracle > > > > says, and here I am paraphrasing, of course, that... > > > > > > > > RBO is going to die. We're not supporting it anymore. Nope. Once > > > > you get > > > > off of 9.2, that's it. Finito. Hasta la vista, Ba-bee. Well, no, > > > > it's not > > > > really going away. YET. It will still be behind the scenes for > > > > awhile. But > > > > sooner or later, it's going to die. You've been warned. This > > > isn't > > > > going > > > > to be like Forms2.3. No. We're serious this time. We put in all > > > > these > > > > great features that y'all aren't using because your code is > > > dependent > > > > on RBO > > > > and RBO can't use these features and that sucks because we really > > > > like > > > > these > > > > features. Now, we figure that a slim minority of people... maybe > > > > 20%... are > > > > still using RBO. 20%. Barely noticeable. (dinosaurs, grumble, > > > > grumble) > > > > Well, we're taking it away. We're going to drag you into the new > > > > millenium > > > > and you're going to use CBO. And you're going to like it. We'll > > > > leave RBO > > > > in there for awhile, but one day you'll wake up and it will be > > > gone. > > > > Gone, > > > > I tell you, GONE! Just you wait. 5, 10 years from now, RBO will > > > be > > > > a > > > > mere > > > > a memory. Just like Forms2.3. Oh, and that "select * from tab;" > > > > that > > > > you're doing every once in awhile to see if it still works, you > > > just > > > > wait, > > > > someday *someday* we're going to take *that* away too. And you're > > > > just > > > > going to have to live with it. HAhahahaha! > > > > > > > > So, what do you think? Will v5 ever really go away? And when will > > > > RBO just > > > > stop working? > > > > > > > > Bambi. > > > > -- > > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > > -- > > > > Author: Bellow, Bambi > > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting > > > services > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > > > also send the HELP command for other information (like > > > subscribing). > > > > > > > > > > Mladen Gogala > > > Oracle DBA > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: > > > This message is for the named person's use only. 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