I think you have mentioned that once or twice. :) Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA
-----Original Message----- Mladen Gogala Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Good idea. I located the meaning of TIM column (time to "age" buffer). BTW, did I tell you that I like your signature? On 10/21/2003 05:39:25 PM, Pete Sharman wrote: > Have a look at Steve Adam's web site. He probably knows more about > it > than > just about anyone else I know (as usual!) > > Pete > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA > > > > -----Original Message----- > Mladen Gogala > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 7:14 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Did anyone try to benchmark the touch count based algorithm against > the old LRU list? LRU list had advantage of being intuitive, while > touch > count > algorithm is depending on many parameters for which I don't exactly > understand the impact. LRU list parameters were > essentially defining the desired length of the free buffers list, > while the > touch count parameters are all undocumented and are > signifying the size of touch pool, the interval in which block has to > > be touched if the touch count is to increase, the required touch > count > > to be moved to the hot pool and alike. Is it more efficient then the > previous easy and understandable LRU lists or not? Touch counts are > visible as TCH in X$BH. I still have no clue what "TIM" is. > > On 10/21/2003 04:39:33 PM, Wolfgang Breitling wrote: > > Before Oracle 8 and the new touch count algorithm the cache > attribute > > made sense. If a small, frequently used table was read by a full > > scan, it would have been put at the end of the LRU chain eligible > to > > > be aged out immediately, quite possibly by itself if it consisted > of > > > more than ~ db_file_multiblock_read_count blocks, i.e. the 2nd or > 3rd > > full scan read would already override the previously read blocks. > > Marking the table as CACHEd prevented that. > > > > At 01:09 PM 10/21/2003, you wrote: > >> I always wondered why Oracle thought this was a useful table > >> attribute. > >> > >> My gut feeling is that it is an extra that does little. > >> > >> For example, say we want to keep a code table in memory because it > >> is constantly being hit for column verifiction. By definition, if > >> a table is > >> constantly being queried, it's segments will be in memory because > >> they never > >> age out. That sounds like cacheing to me. > >> > >> And then I remember a specific piece of Oracle documentation > saying > >> that, > >> even though we may mark a table to be "cached", it *still* may be > >> aged out if memory is needed for other data blocks. > >> > >> Like I said, sounds a little like "here you have it, and here you > >> don't". > >> > >> I'm sure that my impression is wrong and someone will correct me. > > >> But I > >> doubt I will use the "CACHE" option anytime soon. > >> > >> Tom Mercadante > >> Oracle Certified Professional > > > > Wolfgang Breitling > > Oracle7, 8, 8i, 9i OCP DBA > > Centrex Consulting Corporation > > http://www.centrexcc.com > > > >-- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > >-- > > Author: Wolfgang Breitling > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting > services > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the > > name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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