my biggest concern is the model for development has been changed. The model now is do most development with software engineers and have only a small number of database people. this means less pure oracle jobs. > > From: DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 02:59:26 EST > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: RE: Career Advice > > Ryan - Excellent points. I well know the feeling of being tied to Oracle's > future. As to Oracle pricing itself out of the market, I would like to make > three points: > - Pricing is one of the quickest things a vendor can change once it > becomes convinced this is hurting it. On the other hand, I've seen software > vendors that stopped investing in new development. They aren't in business > anymore because you can't quickly change that decision. > - Oracle being perceived as high priced tends to increase our salaries. A > company spends a lot of money on Oracle, so they want it used to good > advantage. The salary surveys I've seen show MS SQL Server DBA with lower > salaries on the average. > - Has anyone seen salary survey results for MySQL or PostgreSQL? The > database is free, so how much should a company spend on a DBA? > > Dennis Williams > DBA > Lifetouch, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 1:19 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > your goals should tie into the job market. you might absolutely love Pascal > programming, but I dont recommend studying it. > > Right now(and I dont know how it will fluctuate), there is far, far, far > more demand for Software Engineers who specialize in Java or .Net. Far, far, > far, more than people who specialize in the Oracle database. I think there > has been a fundamental shift in database development. In the past you would > hire mostly Oracle specialized people to do most of your development. They > would use forms or powerbuilder to do your GUIs. > > These days, a growing number of teams hire a large number of java or .Net > experts and only a handful of database people. is this the best way to go? I > dont know. I do see a trend though. How long will the trend last? I do not > know. > > The biggest problem for IT workers is that we are so tied to one specific > skillset and vendor. If Oracle prices themselves out of the market, our > skills become far less valued. Employees today want super specialized > skillsets. If you have them and they are hot, your set, but they wont be hot > forever and its very hard to switch since people want experience in the > specific skillset before hiring you. > > > > From: "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 01:44:37 EST > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: Career Advice > > > > DENNIS WILLIAMS scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: > > > > > Saira > > > I think you have to decide what your goal is. Then you need to > > > decide how to best accomplish that goal. One tool that can lead you > > > toward a goal is self-study. I have used that tool many times myself. > > > However, with experience you learn the self-study tool has its > > > limits. To consider self-study, consider the following questions: > > > > > > 1. Is this an area that I can gain significant knowledge with a > > > reasonable amount of effort? For example, are there good books > > > available? Is the area well-defined enough for self-study? > > > 2. Since I'm trying to substitute self-effort for work experience, is > > > this an area where there are few people with real work experience? > > > 3. Are there credentials that can be earned? > > > > i'd like to add one more... > > 4. is this something where getting it right will still give you a charge > > after doing it for 10 years or more? > > > > [and yes DBA and programming still do for me. but i'm finding the chances > > of being allowed to do it right are becoming few and far between.] > > > > -- > > Bill "Shrek" Thater ORACLE DBA > > "I'm going to work my ticket if I can..." -- Gilwell song > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Douglas Adams > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Thater, William > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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