By "The schedule ..." I meant "Then schedule ..." , but I'd like to elaborate. DBMS_SCHEDULER can be set up to run jobs (plsql/processes) on a time interval basis, or on-demand" An application such as APEX, can accept the user input and then trigger the appropriate DBMS_SCHEDULER job to run. Mike
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 7:54 AM, jmoore <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks for your help!! I will try your approach! > > On Jul 18, 2:53 pm, Michael Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > > Start with a complete understanding of the types of structures that > PL/SQL > > does: > > Package spec / Package body/ Package Global declarations / blocks /scope > etc > > etc. The take a look at the structure of your COBOL programs. I.E do you > use > > 'common-coupling' or is everything passed through parameters. I would not > > try for a direct conversion, but go with a complete re-write once you > > understand the business logic. > > > > As for user input, consider using something like APEX to collect the > input > > data into a holding table. The schedule your PL/SQL process to run by > using > > the DBMS_SCHEDULER package. You batch jobs would then read from the > holding > > table. > > > > If I were a COBOL coder (which I was for about 10 years) I'd just be > happy > > for the opportunity to learn PL/SQL. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:36 AM, jmoore <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 17, 8:49 am, Rob Wolfe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Jul 17, 6:35 am, jmoore <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > It certianly wasn't my idea to convert programs to pl/sql. We have > > > > > plenty of Cobol programmers here. It was somebody's bright idea way > > > > > above us that we are going to convert everything to pl/sql > procedures > > > > > and packages. I guess they do not want to have to pay for > micr-focus > > > > > anymore. A few of us Cobol programmers have voiced our concerns, > but > > > > > to no avail. They have not set any kind of standards yet, its more > of > > > > > the owner says do it. We have pl/sql programmers in India that work > > > > > for this company, but there isn't much standardization in what I > have > > > > > seen. Also, I do not believe it will increase performance when > Oracle > > > > > is having to load so many porcedures at once. I am just looking for > > > > > some good examples of how to use for while loops etc. Being a cobol > > > > > guy I am used to structure and from what I have seen these are not. > I > > > > > need some good logic where 1 table is read and it has to pass by > some > > > > > exceptions (if not go back read next record) then takes the key and > > > > > gets info from table 2, passes some exceptions maybe table 3 and > than > > > > > it would write out to a sort file. The return would be to create a > > > > > file or printfile. The batch programs we have ask the users things > > > > > like > > > > > Enter from date > > > > > Enter thru date > > > > > > > Enter dept > > > > > 1. all > > > > > 2. specific > > > > > Uses these variables to read the tables to create the sort file. > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 11:51 pm, Rob Wolfe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 2:10 pm, jmoore <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any example code of Cobol programs that were > > > > > > > converted to PL/sql procedures/packages? Our company is trying > to > > > > > > > convert programs to pl/sql and they really haven't addressed > many > > > of > > > > > > > the challenges. First being batch programs that display/accept > data > > > > > > > from the user. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I > certianly > > > hope > > > > > > > there is at least one dinosaur like me in this forum. > > > > > > > > Big Dino-roar from here. Can I ask why you would want to do such > a > > > > > > horrible thing to yourself? Seriously, why would you convert > cobol to > > > > > > PL/SQL of all things? There are lots of perfectly good cobol > > > compilers > > > > > > out there and Oracle plays quite nicely with them. > > > > > > I know that if someone came up to me with the idea of rewriting a > > > > > > bunch of cobol programs in pl/sql I would want a very convincing > > > > > > business case for the project. > > > > > > Even if you are rehosting from a mainframe to (for instance) a > linux > > > > > > VM there is still no good reason to do what you are thinking > about > > > > > > unless someone has a religious aversion to cobol. If you are > short on > > > > > > cobol programmers then I would suggest that training one of your > > > > > > existing ones would be cheaper than converting anything but the > most > > > > > > trivial program to pl/sql. > > > > > > > > I would like to hear more about the thinking behind this project > > > > > > because you have bitten off some nastiness. I do have to say that > I > > > > > > don't understand one thing ... in my experience users don't > interact > > > > > > with batch programs, that is kind of the point of them. Or am I > > > > > > missing something? > > > > > > You will find as much or more structure in PL/SQL than you will in > > > > cobol. Honestly, you will be best off working through a good pl/sql > > > > tutorial/cookbook (there are a bunch on amazon.com). I do have to > > > > reiterate that this is simply a dumb idea (I know it isnt yours) and > > > > someone has to grow a pair and tell management that they are going to > > > > spend more rewriting (this isnt a conversion project, it is a > rewrite) > > > > the code than they are going to save on licenses (back it up with > > > > numbers, MF Cobol isnt THAT expensive, if you can afford Oracle...). > > > > As soon as they see a negative ROI for the project, if they are > > > > competent, they will back off on it. Certainly as new functionality > is > > > > added you can use PL/SQL to implement it but you have the makings of > a > > > > disaster here. > > > > > > Sorry I can't sound more positive about this but I have participated > > > > in the aftermath of top down technical decisions and they are nearly > > > > uniformly a result of someone being sold something or reading > > > > something and half understanding it. It should be VERY easy to do a > > > > quick ROI on this and I would be shocked if it comes out positive. I > > > > think that it is the duty of professional development staff to push > > > > back hard on really dumb ideas with as much business related > > > > information as they can muster. > > > > > > Rob- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Unfortunately, someone in product design took a pl/sql class or > > > something and sold this bill of goods to the president. Everything > > > here is needed yesterday w/o much forethought. So I just have to do > > > what I have to do. The job market is quite bleak at the moment. But I > > > whole-heartedly agree with everything you have written- Hide quoted > text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Oracle PL/SQL" group. 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