I guess you might say with certaintly that I am an expert on this subject...I have several thousand plants growing at the nursery or here at home..Also, now growing here, are the Arundina "Bambosifolia" and also by the hundreds, Phaius Tankervilliae..which only does well way back in the forested areas in the shade..so you are not likely to notice it like the other two that grow in the sun everywhere. As for the Arundina, it can grow like a cotton field in some areas..but is ubiquitous everywhere at our lower levels..The Spathoglottis is not nearly so prevalent..but still may be found everywhere..just not in such abundance..It is surely self pollenating...a sore spot with all of us...The famous gentleman that set all this in motion (to feed his live stock, I am told) picked a crummy clone to do the job...You can see why...That clone had all those easy to come by pods on it. I had thought he must have done it by plane...but no...Folks who know say he did it from the back of a pick up truck. And believe me when I say that all three of those Orchids are here to stay...I have only seen the three honest to God true endemic Orchids of Hawaii once..they are hardly worth noticing...terrestrials.and insignificant. In the parks etc you will find many other Orchids that have found a home and are proliferating..Vandas, Dendrobiums and the like..Given time these too will be seen all over this island, at least. Bill Bergstrom _______________________________________________ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids