Dear Folks,
Obvious, this is a case again where the "Messenger" is to be killed for
bringing "the message"
As this was sent to the list, I have no option but to answer on the
list.
Dear Delfina de Araujo,
Delfina de Araujo wrote:
Don't you think that is frivolous to make a judgment and display a
precipitated opinion in an orchid list based on such a superficial
reading? I suppose this, because you did not even notice that our is
not a commercial nursery site -- it is so obvious. A little bit
attentive reading would have shown it.
No. A good site is one without such blatant errors. Before posting
something, have it checked by some independant people. Again ... BEFORE
you post it
Your raising doubts about the prize
we won in Dijon because of typewriting mistakes is inconsistent. You
are not putting in doubt our capacity but the capacity of the members
of the jury.
I don't care who gets a prize. I could not care less. But the value of
your prize is minimized by the JURY, not by me. The JURY did not see
your mistake or did not WANT to see it.
You are right -- we are proud of the
prize because it is the recognition of work performed since 1996 in
promoting information on orchids.
Why hit so hard against a serious and unpaid work?
On so have million others. What has this got to do with the errors on
your website?
Why trying to diminish a work which
helps Brazilian and foreigner experts by making their work wider known?
I do not diminish your work. You do it yourself
Haven't you ever made a mistake? Are you infallible?
Oh OK were are on that track again .... We are not talking about my
mistakes. ... I have made many mistakes, and I am far from infallible.
BUT, I don't post them on the WEB where zillions of people see them,
and I don't boast with a prize for "best" Website with such flagrant
mistakes.
It is not me who has AN ATTITUDE, it is YOU. If you don't want that
someone tells you that you made a mistake, DON'T MAKE MISTAKES.
The site is quite big and you would
need a long time to read everything, including Orchid News which is in
the 28th edition. However you prefer taking a typing mistake and
transformed it in a big deal.
Since Portuguese is our native language, why haven't you verified in
the Brazilian version as Leo Stam did?
Why should I .... I don't read Portuguese and if you wanted to have
everyone read the Portuguese site, why did you post an English version?
On the other hand, if you spend your
time writing about the site, perhaps you really think it is worthwhile?
I did not say that your site is not worth looking at. I said that there
are flagrant mistakes ... that is all.
By the way, Lou Menezes asked us to
publish your article about Cyrtopodium species in the next edition of
Orchid News.
I have no control over what Lou asks you about. But if you want to
publish an article of mine, you have to ask me, not Lou.
Besides, it seems that you put in doubt the information so just for
your information, among the books where you can find it, see The
Illustrated Encyclopedia of Orchids, edited by Alec Pridgeon, reprinted
l994, page 14, cited in the bibliography
I don't understand what you mean by this. What information do I put in
doubt? ... And The Alec Pridgeon Book is not authorative. It is full of
mistakes. (We have discussed that a few years ago on this list).
Sincere regards
Guido J. Braem
Sincerely
Delfina de Araujo
Brazilian Orchids
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Well, I would like to add that the site is not from a nursery, but a
private site. As Leo stated, it's sure a mistake of the translator, that
probably is not familiar with orchids, taxonomists and Kew Gardens.
Delfina is a very dedicated orchid amateur expert and is far from beeing
so stupid. I'm sending her a copy of this answer and I'm sure everething
will be allright very soon.
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:08:56 +0100
> From: "Prof. Dr. Braem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [OGD] Findings
>
>
> For some of you that get all worked up when I get angry at people not
> knowing what they are doing, here a recent finding. The following text
> is part of a webpage from a Brazilian nursery
>
> "This situation reached so incredible dimension that Joseph Dayton
> Hooker, Director of Chew Gardens, an orchid taxonomist, ..."
>
> I will probably get flamed when I point out that the younger Hooker was
> named Joseph Dalton by his parents and that I am pleased that the Royal
> Botanic Gardens at Kew, Richmond have added a fast food emporium.
>
> PS. The site proudly states:
>
> "This site was awarded with the
> Gold Medal and the
> Grand Prix Trophy
> of "Best Amateur Website
> at the 18th WOC (World Orchid Conference)
> held in Dijon, France."
>
> I love experts!!
>
> Guido J. Braem
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:09:19 -0800 (PST)
> From: Leo Stam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [OGD] Findings
>
> Guido Braem,
>
> Though I don't master Portuguese, it looks to me like the original
> In the native language had it right (at least the Dalton and the Kew):
>
> "Esta situa??o tomou uma tal dimens?o que Joseph Dalton Hooker,
> Diretor de Kew Gardens e taxonomista em orqu?deas, declarou que
> a Inglaterra havia se tornado um cemit?rio de orqu?deas tropicais,
> tamanha era a quantidade de plantas que morriam por causa de um
> cultivo inadequado, dentro de estufas superaquecidas."
>
> See: http://www.delfinadearaujo.com/generos/cattleya/cat01.htm
>
> Just some translation experts that goofed up a bit. Nothing to get
> worked up about.
>
> >For some of you that get all worked up when I get angry at people not
> >knowing what they are doing, here a recent finding. The following text
> >is part of a webpage from a Brazilian nursery
> >
> >"This situation reached so incredible dimension that Joseph Dayton
> >Hooker, Director of Chew Gardens, an orchid taxonomist, ..."
> >I will probably get flamed when I point out that the younger Hooker was
> >named Joseph Dalton by his parents and that I am pleased that the Royal
> >Botanic Gardens at Kew, Richmond have added a fast food emporium.
> >
> >PS. The site proudly states:
> >
> >"This site was awarded with the
> >Gold Medal and the
> >Grand Prix Trophy
> >of "Best Amateur Website
> >at the 18th WOC (World Orchid Conference)
> >held in Dijon, France."
> >
> >I love experts!!
> >
> >Guido J. Braem
>
> Leo Stam
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