If you think about it, Sun released their source code for JSP and servlets to Apache.
IBM and Sun have people working and developing Tomcat, in addition to the Apache
volunteers. Yet there are many commercial products implementing JSP and servlets
(Jrun, Servlet Exec, Etc.). Similarly, if you have open source servers like jBoss,
joNas, openEJB, etc., they will coexist among commercial versions. Yet both
commercial and open source versions will stir companies to implement Sun J2EE
solutions over Microsoft MTS. I think Orion is a great product, but it will take both
open source and commercial products to give J2EE solutions popularity and keep
Microsoft MTS at bay.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Duffey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 1:43 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Anyone using Orion in production? [long]
Really? How can they be sued by Sun for their own source? JBoss isn't
getting sued..aren't they open source? I can't believe Sun could sue anyone
for making an open-source application server. Maybe there is something we
don't know...??
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gerald
> Gutierrez
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 10:16 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Re: Anyone using Orion in production? [long]
>
>
>
> >However I can sympatize with Karl and Magnus. EJB is a very new
> >technology. Shipping the source makes it relatively easy for the
> >competition to copy the product which of course is the downside. But I
> >think shippingg the source would be for the better of the server. Nobody
> >is perfect and if all of us have our hands on the source lots of those
> >silly bugs should be fixed in much less time. Having to submit a
> >testcase makes for a lot of effort on both sides since we have to create
> >a testcase which has to be recreated by the orion team and tested. Most
> >of these bug however would simply appear running your app through a
> >debugger and jumping into the orion source.
>
> I've run into so many weird and absurd problems in Orion; all it would've
> taken for me to solve the problem and submit a patch would be a
> grep in the
> source tree. Alas, I cannot do this and I am stuck with an application
> server that has many advantages and many disadvantages, which
> more or less
> cancel each other out. Many bugs I post as problems to the mailing list,
> many times without response, forcing me to submit some of them to
> bugzilla,
> where they go unnoticed.
>
>
> Evermind's position, as stated on the FAQ, is that they would be SUED by
> Sun if they made their source code public.
>
> What?! What is the rationale behind this conclusion???
>
>
>
>
