Hi kevin, i dunno if it can help but i had a problem with oracle & streaming & it took me 3 days before i could find what was going on. The "Stream already closed" error appears when u are trying to read a stream from the db & at the same time (with the same connection) u do other operations on the db. Theoretically u should have had this problem also with the earlier version of oracle's jdbc but if u didn't maybe it's just not this the problem. Anyway, that's wath in the spec: The drivers automatically discard stream data if you perform any JDBC operation that communicates with the database, other than reading the current stream. Check http://technet.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle8i/doc_library/817_doc/java.81 7/a83724/basic4.htm, maybe it can help you. Marco -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Kevin Duffey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Inviato: mercoledi, 31. gennaio 2001 21:25 A: Orion-Interest Oggetto: Problem with latest Oracle JDBC.zip..anyone having similar problems? Hi there, We just moved to Oracle 8.1.7 database (or upgraded to it). The new jdbc.zip that is required to use it is causing some odd problems with Orion 1.3.8 that we are running. Specifically, it appears every time we try to connect to the database it gives a "Stream already closed" error. Is anyone experiencing similar problems? Will the 1.4.5 version of Orion fix this? We tried removing the jdbc.jar in the orion folder, and we are only using Orion for jsp/servlet engine (not yet done any EJB work). Thanks.