From: Kemp Randy-W18971
To: 'Mike Sick '; 'Orion-Interest '
Cc:
Subject: RE: ORION RISE FROM THE DEAD! - What we have here is a failure to
communicate ...
Sent: 4/13/01 9:22 AM
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Mike:
I do agree with all the concern about Orion's lack of response. I think that three
good developers created a great product, but didn't give much thought into how to
market, support, and document it, should it reach a good level of success. I suppose
we should ask this question:
Is there any other ways we can help the Orion team? Perhaps we can get a
documentation manual effort together, like the Jboss folks are doing. I know that the
folks at www.orionsupport.com and www.jollem.com are doing a great job. And yes, I
agree that Orion is way ahead of the open source efforts, such as Jboss, Enhydra,
Jonas, and openEJb at this point in time (not that I don't root for them, since I want
them to also get to a point to give the big guys some concern). So Orion, if we as a
community can help you, tell us how.
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Sick
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: 4/12/01 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: ORION RISE FROM THE DEAD! - What we have here is a failure to communicate
...
Hey Randy,
I think that most people who bothered to join this list want Orion to
succeed and I can see how you might have taken David's words badly.
There's
no doubt that there are a significant number of Orion fans that are very
dedicated (me included). It's natural, however, to want resolution and
orionserver's lack of progress in the last few months should raise
significant concern. Add 'a failure to communicate' to the mix and
concern
will turn to frustration, desperation, and worse.
Orion's strength as a product has allowed a small but significant
developer
community to emerge around it. The activity on this list, the various
support sites, and the strong word of mouth growth of Orion are all
signs
that developers care and will support the product. But it's impossible
to
help if you don't know what's wrong.
Mike Sick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kemp Randy-W18971" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:55 PM
Subject: RE: ORION RISE FROM THE DEAD!
> David:
> Most people on this list are fans of Orion and are rooting for them
to
succeed. Personally, I root for the small guys, like Orion, Jboss, and
Jonas, only because this technology should be available to everyone, and
not
just companies with deep pockets. Orion is the only commercial server
under
$5000 that is any good, and able to go toe to toe with BEA on several
points. I wouldn't want them to go out of business, and would much
rather
Orion became an open source project before that happens. It has too
much
potential to fold.
> Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:34 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: ORION RISE FROM THE DEAD!
>
>
> I've been watching Orion for awhile using/testing. It so close to
being
ideal for me and my clients and we are ready to buy. But development
seems
to have stopped lately. Updates to the web site are virtually
non-existant
(ie ORION 1.2 released on main site)...meanwhile we are up to 1.4.5
since
Jan 22. I am happy with its current state. I just sucessfully tested
SSL
with it. I haven't done much in terms of EJB yet, but my experiences
with
orion still have been great.
>
> SO ORION - Please get your act together. Or if you must go out of
business....do it soon....so I can look at enhydra/weblogic/websphere
again...I haven't looked at them in awhile because I have been happy
with
orion.
>
> It's for your own good. You obviously have some great programmers who
developed this product. They should either keep working on it, or find
another product to work on.
>
> Best of luck
> David
>
>
>
