And don't forget we'll all be using Drag and Drop Visual tools to do
coding soon, so we won't even need tools like IDEA. I guess this will
make Computer Science degrees irrelevant as well?

LOL

Geoff


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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of The Boss
> Sent: Monday, 25 March 2002 10:27 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Cc: Jarrod Roberson
> Subject: OK, here's Real World: was: idea=$395.00USD was: RE: 
> Java IDE?
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> Hi Jarrod,
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> I would like to share some IBM insights with you relevant to some of 
> your comments  ...
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> > So anyone that chants the "FREE mantra" keep using Tomcat and Vi and
> > all  the other "free" crap because in the end it will cost you 
> > HUNDREDS TIMES  more than buying a proper tool and saving 
> money over 
> > the long haul. Then  again if you are lowballing jobs, and 
> working on 
> > crappy little projects all  this is moot, why are you using Orion 
> > then, why not use JBoss or any of the  other FREE EJB containers. I 
> > mean you "COULD" move a mountian with a  plastic spoon, 
> hell they are 
> > FREE at every fast food joint, but would'nt a  sane and reasonable 
> > person spend the money on real earth moving equipment  and 
> get the job 
> > done quickly so they could move on to the next paying job  
> moving the 
> > next mountain.
> 
> Some time ago I was involved in IBM's "San Fransisco" project, about 
> which you may know. This enterrpise level tool was
> very large and free for development I understand. Various tool makers 
> came up with ways of enhancing the development
> process including the integration of the Rational suite of 
> products. OK. 
> That was the story from the West. It turned out that
> the most productive developers of San Fransisco applications were NOT 
> the people who used fancy, expensive Yankee IDE's
> or tools, but the teams of hundreds of Indian programmers 
> around Mumbai. 
> The Indian software houses could not afford to
> pay guys like you, and provide guys like you with tools to make you 
> productive, and save you time, so you could be with your 
> family. No. They could afford to hire hundreds of developers 
> and provide 
> them with cheap development tools, like 'vi' ;), and
> let them loose on a task. So from this International competitive 
> perspective your comments are way off the mark, the kind
> of productivity you speak about, (great design guys, large scale 
> projects, etc) are irrelevant in the global domain. It 
> doesn't matter in the end how productive you are, or what 
> tools you use, you will NEVER 
> be able to compete with the developer farms of
> countries like India, and just wait till China comes on line! 
>  I guess 
> the same thing that happened to the Western clothing
> industry WILL happen to the Western software development 
> business - it 
> will be moved off-shore into countries that have
> large volumes of super-cheap educated labour, using free 
> development tools.
> 
> Unfortunately your comments sound like those of an ageing 
> Western prima 
> donna whose tunes are increasingly less
> popular. Sure tools like Idea were built for prima donna Western 
> software developers ... but with developer farms coming
> on line ... prima donnas and the tools that support them are becoming 
> less and less of a good business proposition.
> 
> Perhaps you could start a "crappy little project" that could 
> make you a 
> lot of money, so you could retire early?
> ;)
> 
> Regards
> goffredo
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