Title: RE: [Oscar-users] add new nodes
Hi Alex:
 
In that case you need to manually install the OSCAR packages into the image, right?
 
Erich has a script which can actually integrate a generic SystemImager image into OSCAR, it also installs OSCAR packages into it too.  I believe it is still WIP (work in progress) though.
 
Do you mind writing up some notes on how you did your installation (in regards to making the 64-bit image), I can put it up in the FAQ if others are interested.
 
Thanks,
 
Bernard


From: alex landsberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sat 14/01/2006 10:44
To: Shiang-Tai Lin
Cc: Bernard Li; [email protected]; Michael Edwards
Subject: RE: [Oscar-users] add new nodes


As you noted in your mail - it is possible to have a 32bit OSCAR server
downloading and installing a 64bit OSCAR node. We do it and it works.

And we do it exactly as you described using systemimager.

Regards,

Alex


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael
Edwards
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:03 PM
To: Shiang-Tai Lin
Cc: Bernard Li; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Oscar-users] add new nodes


What you would probably have to do is install the 64 bit OS on the nodes
by hand, pull a golden image off that node with the systemimager tools
(not through oscar at this point) and then use oscar to push that image
to the other nodes.

The kicker of this is that you would still have to set up the first node
by hand (including all the Oscar packages!) so just for fun you might
try your original clone/upgrade idea on that node before pulling the
golden image back with systemimager.  I will be a bit supprised if the
upgrade from x86 to x86_64 goes well, but stranger things have happened.

As a disclaimer, I have never actually done this myself, I just know it
is possible with the tools included with Oscar.  From my understanding,
this is the way most people use systemimager outside the oscar
community.

On 1/13/06, Shiang-Tai Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Bernard,
>
> It would be of great help if there is a documentation on how to make a

> "64-bit" image. Just out of curiosity: would it be possible to install

> the new nodes with 32-bit OS but then I go into each node and upgrade
> it to a 64-bit OS (this may save me from setting up pbs, ganglia,
> maui, etc on that node by myself.)?
>
> ST
>
>
> Bernard Li wrote:
>
> > Hi Shiang-Tai:
> >
> > I would recommend you research more carefully the implication of
> > running your application in 64-bit mode vs 32-bit mode in more
> > detail.  It may not be as simple as differences for the max address
> > space.
> >
> > Currently we do not support multi-distro/multi-arch, so the answer
> > to #1 is no.
> >
> > As for 2, it is not possible to install 64-bit OS on 32-bit machine,

> > the OS simply will not run.
> >
> > Having said that, it may not be impossible to create a x86_64 image
> > for your new nodes and just assign the new nodes to the "64-bit"
> > image.
> >
> > Erich is working on the multi-arch/multi-distro feature in trunk,
> > perhaps he has some advice/suggestions for you.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Bernard
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----
> > *From:* Shiang-Tai Lin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > *Sent:* Fri 13/01/2006 00:38
> > *To:* Bernard Li
> > *Cc:* [email protected]
> > *Subject:* Re: [Oscar-users] add new nodes
> >
> > Bernard Li wrote:
> >
> > > I'm cc:ing the oscar-users list, please keep all responses in the
> > > list.
> >
> >
> > Dear Bernard,
> >
> > My apologies. I'd be more careful about it in the future.
> >
> > >
> > > The following are answers to your questions:
> > >
> > > 1. Currently OSCAR does not support multiple distroes, in the very

> > > near future we would be able to.  So either Fedora Core 2 works,
> > > or you can rebuild your cluster with Fedora Core 3. 2. You can
> > > install a x86 OS on AMD Opteron, however, you will only be able to

> > > access max ~3GB of memory per process.  If this is not a concern
> > > for you, then you can try to install x86 OS.  Of course if you're
> > > starting from scratch, it is recommended that you install a x86_64

> > > OS.
> >
> > Thanks for the clear explanation. I didn't know that the difference
> > between 32 and 64-bit machines is just the max memory access. In
> > this case I would try to use x86 OS first and see if it works.
> >
> > But just in case should it fail, can I
> > 1. use FC2 x86 OS for the original cluster but FC2 x86_64 for the
> > new nodes? or
> > 2. Use FC2 x86_64 OS on an Intel 32 bit machine (so that I can use
> > x86_64 on the whole cluster)?
> >
> > Thanks a lot for your help.
> >
> > ST
> >
> > >
> > > If Fedora Core 2 x86 works on your AMD dualcores, then this should

> > > be pretty straightforward.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Bernard
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ------
> > > *From:* Shiang-Tai Lin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > *Sent:* Thu 12/01/2006 23:46
> > > *To:* Bernard Li
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Oscar-users] add new nodes
> > >
> > > Hi Bernard,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the reply.
> > >
> > > 1. I've not tried FC2 on my AMD opteron. From the FC release
> > > notes, it seems that it would work. Can I install FC3 on the new
> > > nodes if the server is FC2? 2. I thought that I'd need x86_64 for
> > > the new nodes. Would x86 work on a 64-bit machine?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any input.
> > > ST
> > >
> > > Bernard Li wrote:
> > >
> > > > Questions:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Does Fedora Core 2 run on your AMD dualcores?
> > > > 2) Are you planning to install 32-bit or 64-bit OS (i.e. Fedora
> > > > Core 2 x86 or x86_64)?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Bernard
> > > >
> > > >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----
> > > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of
> > > > Shiang-Tai Lin
> > > > *Sent:* Thu 12/01/2006 22:25
> > > > *To:* [email protected]
> > > > *Subject:* [Oscar-users] add new nodes
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I have a cluster setup with Fedora Core 2 and OSCAR 4.0. All the

> > > > computers are intel Xeon dual processor (32-bit) PCs. I would
> > > > like to add 3 computing nodes to it but these 3 new computers
> > > > have AMD dural core 64-bit processors. Is it possible to add
> > > > these three nodes to my original cluster using OSCAR? I read the

> > > > message by Michael J. Brim
> > > > (http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=75922)
> > > > and it seems to me possible. If so, where can I find a more
> > > > detailed instruction to do this? If not, is there any solution
> > > > for me?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot.
> > > >
> > > > Shiang-Tai
> > > >
> > > >
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