point noted en. haris :) and i should say WOW !!! to your open source family.
if we are introducing to someone whom never touch a PC to an Open Source product, then ok kan...xperlu unlearn and relearn..and yes, at first it was OOo, but then, 'menurut arahan orang atasan, kami akan menggunakan semula m$', thus have to use that legitimate 'promotional' m$ action pack DVDs. fining kepala dah... Anyway, Salam Ramadhan semua. Regards, AZMI Salim On 15 August 2010 21:44, Raja Iskandar Shah <rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote: > salam azmi > > your comments work both ways > > as a boss who reviews documentation from staff, the learning curve of > PROPER use of an office suite is steep for newbies (example proper use of > heading, paragraph and page styles). i still see lots of rubbish [Tab] > instead of proper paragraph indents, using typed number, then [tab] then > heading title, instead of the simple paragraph heading style > > the m$ 2010 requires additional familiarisation as it has made use of the > ribbon icon a hide-and-seek game. to fit their horrendous large icons, m$ > have resorted to hiding them behind other obscure icons. try doing a 300 > page admin manual on a 8.9" inch screen netbook with those large icons > taking up 25% of the screen ! > > if everyone used oo.o open formats, there will not be any problems of > formatting. > > if the users can afford to pay for the m$ office licenses (they are paying > for it right ?), then by all means make the most of it. > > other than the 2 concluding points you made, i would also like to add: > stronger enforcement against software piracy > raising society's ethics against 'stealing' > > personally, i cant afford to have 4 copies of m$ office for each of the 4 > computers at my home, therefore myself, my wife, my 10 year old daughter and > my 5 year old son make do with oo.o . even my 74 year old mother makes do > with oo.o . my children use ubuntu exclusively on the pc clone. > > open source is not just about linux and openoffice.org and the desktop. > just think, if there were no linux / php / python - would there be google or > f...@#b%k ? if you are a f...@#b%k user, you are already a part user of open > source. > > > > On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 4:44 PM, azmi salim <azm...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> OpenOffice.org Challenges: >> >> 1) Learning Curve (kinda steep for newbies) >> 2) Non-intuitive interface (compared to the latest m$ edition), hard to >> navigate for newbies >> 3) Compatibility (we have to take it at point blank that most of the file >> is in m$ format). thus making people goes berserk when all those format >> lari..especially when doing presentation >> >> --> unlesss there is some highly significant advantage towards using OOo, >> apart from the normal 'FREE' and 'Open' words, which the end-user rarely >> cares about, people will at the end rollback to m$. if they cannot use, they >> will lari. >> >> --> I'm speaking based on small experience of some project, and inviting >> (expecting) some flames. >> >> --> if we are introducing Open Source stuffs to g33x, that's fine, but we >> are living in the real world, where normal people don't really understand >> the difference between command prompt and terminal >> >> >> >> Thus, humbly i do think, >> --> there's a need to revamp the navigational interface >> --> there's a need for proper training ecosystem >> >> >> Regards, >> AZMI >> >> On 15 August 2010 15:52, archayl <arch...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 05:52 +0800, Harisfazillah Jamel wrote: >>> > Assalamualaikum and salam sejahtera, >>> > >>> > I have reading numbers of email regarding the Open Source Software >>> > (OSS) and our government in this list and we know how hard to get OSS >>> > into the government selection and option. >>> > >>> > I keep on asking myself, why? Why our policy makers hard to to get OSS >>> > as the main and important option in selection of software and the >>> > answer is only one ...( err may be two points) >>> > >>> > We have money to buy proprietary and we don't care how much we going >>> > to spend because its not our money. >>> > >>> > Wow its hit me. After having sahur with nasi and sambal ikan sardin >>> > ... Its not about Government money its about our money. The Rakyat. >>> > >>> > If Rakyat (people) know how much that we have spend to buy other >>> > software rather then OSS and much its can be save and what OSS can do >>> > to build our nation... I believe its will change the policy and >>> > perspective ... >>> > >>> > We should focusing in convincing The Rakyat the benefit of OSS and >>> > making sure that The Rakyat will pressure our government OSS should be >>> > the main and important option in selection of software. >>> > >>> > How ? We should discuss this >>> > When ? Now ... We should get The Rakyat know right away >>> > What ? Its all about people power of selection of choices >>> > Who ? We are. We are The Rakyat. >>> > Where ? Every state and every where. >>> > >>> > Set our target right, and we should get this done properly.... >>> > >>> > Thank you .... >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ >>> > >>> > Facebook Fan page >>> > >>> > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 >>> > >>> > http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my >>> > >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> > >>> > Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<osdcmy-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> > http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en >>> >>> >>> How about habit? One thing people always have a hard time to cope. >>> Change, adapt. (Two?) >>> >>> I've seen 3 Office Suite in one computer. Microsoft, Star, and Open. Go >>> guess which one get frequent click-thru. 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