Thanks Bah Yap and CL Chow.... really appreciate your responds.... thanks a lot...
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:14 PM, CL Chow <klrkdek...@gmail.com> wrote: > And people won't mind learning, using and adapting proprietary softwares > because they can get them for free too, via pirates, > For a very good example, students are taught using proprietary softwares > and they are required to finish they homeworks/assignments using the > proprietary softwares, and you know what most of the proprietary softwares > are!!! Microsoft Office, Adobe Software Suites, are they free and cheap? > when even I cannot afford them!!! What are we educating? Pirates!!! When > people cannot afford or doesn't want to pay, they steal!!! And stealing > softwares, musics and movies are okay even to us. If you bought original > softwares/games, I'm sure people around you will comment/scold/whatever that > you're gila/crazy/nuts/rich/stupid. As long as people can get them for free, > they'll take them same as Free and Open Source!!! Just ask anyone around us, > how many of them can differentiate Proprietary Pay Software, Freeware and > FOSS? Pathetically, most answers you'll get are 'Who cares?', 'They are all > the same what', 'Free?!' > > I think if we need to push FOSS to the next level, we need to eliminate > such misconception, via our educational system ;) > Like Richard Stallman said, when people are taught to use these proprietary > softwares, they only know and need and must use them, and when they cannot > afford, they'll rob and steal, like drug addicts, and our educators are the > drug feeders. > > And I still despise VB > > Sorry, I didn't read all the previous posts. I just say whatever I wanted > to say. > > Regards, > CL Chow > "Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send > OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/"; > > > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Boh Yap <bhy...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> hi lufti, >> >> you say yr research concerns FOSS in education, I think there are 2 >> aspects: >> >> 1. using FOSS to teach computer literacy, computing and related subjects >> 2. using FOSS as the underlying infrastructure, and the delivery mechanism >> >> The 2 can be independent, although ideally they work best together, >> especially for IT Education. >> >> Briefly, (as I dont have the time now to write a lengthy discussion) >> its like this: >> >> 1. to learn any skill, like painting, sculpting even >> engineering/architecture, you study the works of great masters. For >> any sculptor of painter, its a great privilege and opportunity to be >> able to go to Italy to study the works of Leornardo (daVinci the >> artist, not the Ninja Turtle! ;-). To learn to code, you look at the >> work of master programmers, with FOSS you can do that! You can't see >> the code in proprietary SW! >> >> Same with Sys Admin, with FOSS, you have to 'get your hands dirty', >> working with CLI and you are 'forced' to understand what you're are >> doing. With Windoze, you just learn which buttons to click. You LEARN >> THE INTERFACE NOT THEORY! >> >> For computer literacy (learning to use a browser, WP, Speadsheet), >> then using FOSS may not have an advantage becos the interface is not >> so 'slick'. But its always better to learn on something you get free, >> rather than after learning, you have to go spend 100's$$ to buy SW! >> >> 2. As a content creation, management and delivery infra, FOSS has the >> same advantages as in entreprise, cost, reliability, no vendor lock >> down and perhaps most important, YOUR CONTENT DOES NOT GO OBSOLOTETE >> with the next generation of OS upgrade. Raja mentioned CBT, which was >> 'hot' a few decades ago... there were even specialise vendors PLATO >> (HW & SW), Authorware (SW) which allowed you to create powerful >> learning tools. PLATO no is longer around, and Authorware got bought >> by Maco-Media, then Adobe and probably became part of Flash... but >> they are no longer around, and ALL that content that was developed is >> OBSOLETE! >> >> Also, if and Edu instituition use both 1 & 2 together, you have even >> more powerful synergies, the IT Dept. get to work on the actual infra >> itself. Its no conincidence: Carnegie Mellon, MIT, Stanford, UC >> Berkeley,... all these worked on the DARPA project which gave us the >> Internet and they are top Unis for IT & Comp. Sc. >> >> Hope this gives you some ideas... >> >> >> 2010/8/15 Raja Iskandar Shah <rajaiskand...@gmail.com>: >> > masa zaman saya dulu, cbt (computer based training) agak berjaya. >> > >> > sekarang ni pun nampak educational cd untuk anak2 saya agak berkesan >> juga. >> > >> > tapi lms (macam) oum pula tidak nampak keberkesanan. >> > >> > mungkin computer adalah lebih sesuai untuk structured training, >> > >> > >> > 2010/8/15 red1 <r...@red1.org> >> >> >> >> On 8/15/10 12:09 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Setuju dengan Red1. Banyak projek LMS gagal ... Tak perlu dicerita >> >>> panjang nanti ada yang marah... >> >>> >> >> >> >> jangan bimbang terhadap kemarahan manusia. Sesungguhnya Dr. Nurhizam >> >> Saife sendiri pun memberikan pendapat sedemikian secara akademik kepada >> >> wakil Libya temph hari yang ingin memperkenalkan eLearning. Juga guru >> >> eLearning Malaysia (lupa nama) dari UKM telah memberi nasihat >> berjaga-jaga >> >> terhadap soal ini. 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