One of the primary reason I still have resentment against MAMPU. Eric
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan <sharuzza...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Alas like so many alumni of >> Pahse Two will attest, we all ended up being tukang buat slide for >> clueless politicians. >> > > Hah... been there, done that... :) > > And the slide will always be constantly changed nearly every day, and when > in the meeting on second day, the word will be like "Eh... why the slide > change? Who make the change... put it back" . But it is actually that person > instruction to remove the info at the first place. > > No work get done that day, because whole day was used to change the slide > back to nearly identical to the the previous state > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte > <msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I am aware of your association in Phase One. >> >> OSCC wanted to do so much but at each turn we were blocked by >> political interests and general apathy. MAMPU as we are know is a >> schizophrenic animal, each jabatan seem to have its own mind and the >> KP really don't care, so as long as dapat naik pangkat. >> >> The statistics are available, but since I was involved with the >> training portion only, I do not have it. Raja and Red1 were the two >> chaps who helped us do up the BRR - Benefit Realisation Report; maybe >> they have a copy of it. >> >> The Govt is a control freak. Anything they do is hak kerajaan. We have >> suggested to involve the community in building some of the stuff, but >> then the ones in power only want the name and tried to use the >> community as kuli percuma - case in point MyGOSSCON. >> >> When we suggested to reach out to the Private Sector, the official >> answer is always "We only do Public Sector". WTF!? It shows those in >> power don't know the first thing about FOSS. Even they argue that FOSS >> is a "haram" word; we could only use OSS. Jeez! >> >> Much that I say, I am sure you have seen and gone through them; since >> you were in Phase One. I am not saying that OSCC was a great success, >> but to say it was an epic failure can be affront to us who put in >> thousands of man hours to try to make it work. >> >> I can understand that outside of the Public Sector, there was hardly a >> noticeable ripple. It was sad - I really believed we were doing >> something positive for FOSS in Malaysia. Alas like so many alumni of >> Pahse Two will attest, we all ended up being tukang buat slide for >> clueless politicians. >> >> Eric >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan >> <sharuzza...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Saya pernah berkerja didalam OSCC semasa fasa pertama dibawah syarikat >> > DRB >> > IT. >> > >> > MyNetwatch adalah hasil usaha saya. Malah nama MyNetwatch tu pun saya >> > yang >> > cadangkan. Dokumen untuk versi pertama MyNetwatch saya yang tulis. >> > >> > Tapi cuba kira berapa banyak agensi kerajaan yang menggunakan >> > MyNetwatch, >> > sama ada versi awal, atau versi yang terkini. Berapa banyak pula yang >> > menggunakan OpenOffice sepenuhnya? MAMPU kata lebih 90%, tapi yang >> > menghairankan, MAMPU juga masih menggunakan format PROPRIETARY dari >> > MICROSOFT untuk dokumen tender mereka. Impak kah itu? >> > >> > Berapa banyak pula agensi yang menggunakan produk lain OSCC seperti >> > MySpamguard, MySurfguard, MyMeeting dan sebagainya? Mana >> > nombor/statistik >> > ni? >> > >> > Kenapa nombor ni tak dicanangkan keseluruh dunia? >> > >> > Apa yang sering dicanangkan, adalah keberjayaan melaksanakan >> > pertandingan >> > pengaturcaraan 36 jam tanpa henti. Tapi apa hasil dari pertandingan ini? >> > Mana kodnya dan mana projeknya? >> > >> > Apa sumbangan pertandingan tu kepada Sumber Terbuka Malaysia? >> > >> > Banyak lagi soalan. Tapi nanti bazir masa jer bertanya. >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:31 AM, <ta...@sabily.my> wrote: >> >> >> >> Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya. >> >> Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama >> >> Saudara HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x >> >> sebut >> >> semua), banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan. >> >> Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting.. >> >> Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP >> >> Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu >> >> di >> >> era syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling >> >> berjaya setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte <msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> >> >> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com >> >> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:24:55 >> >> To: <osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com> >> >> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com >> >> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ? >> >> >> >> I disagree. It was not a way to spend Govt money but a way for someone >> >> to get promoted to Jusa. >> >> >> >> Measuring significance in the global scale, OSCC didn't make much of a >> >> presence. But at least there is some events on FOSS now like >> >> MyGOSSCON. >> >> >> >> Eric >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan >> >> <sharuzza...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > This kind of situation is common. >> >> > >> >> > The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not >> >> > even >> >> > known as an Open Source supporter or contributor. >> >> > >> >> > As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it. >> >> > >> >> > I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to >> >> > spend >> >> > government money. Nothing really significant was achieved. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah >> >> > <rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach : >> >> >> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor >> >> >> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) >> >> >> with >> >> >> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable >> >> >> hardware >> >> >> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be >> >> >> terengganu's >> >> >> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers >> >> >> providing >> >> >> only for m$ windows platform. >> >> >> >> >> >> on the original topic of this thread .... ehem... ehem.... >> >> >> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and >> >> >> openhis. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM, <ta...@sabily.my> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira. >> >> >>> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika. >> >> >>> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah >> >> >>> minta >> >> >>> untuk buat perbincangan dengan kita. >> >> >>> Bila ye, nak buat?.. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom >> >> >>> Mobile. >> >> >>> >> >> >>>________________________________ >> >> >>> From: Soire Meira <soire...@gmail.com> >> >> >>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com >> >> >>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800 >> >> >>> To: <osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com> >> >> >>> ReplyTo: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com >> >> >>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ? >> >> >>> Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah! >> >> >>> >> >> >>> 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <jipangmenje...@gmail.com> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk >> >> >>>> direalisasikan. >> >> >>>> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira <soire...@gmail.com> >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni >> >> >>>>> membuka >> >> >>>>> serta belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). >> >> >>>>> jika >> >> >>>>> bantahan >> >> >>>>> dr ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung >> >> >>>>> @ >> >> >>>>> tmpt >> >> >>>>> taraf hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu >> >> >>>>> akn lahir >> >> >>>>> anak yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk >> >> >>>>> 10 >> >> >>>>> thn punya >> >> >>>>> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda >> >> >>>>> lbh >> >> >>>>> baik dr >> >> >>>>> Mark Zuckerberg.. >> >> >>>>> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte >> >> >>>>> <msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Satu cadangan yang menarik. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas >> >> >>>>>> FOSS >> >> >>>>>> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa >> >> >>>>>> yang >> >> >>>>>> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada >> >> >>>>>> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah". >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira >> >> >>>>>> <soire...@gmail.com> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. >> >> >>>>>> > he3.. >> >> >>>>>> > skadar >> >> >>>>>> > cadangan ja >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte >> >> >>>>>> > <msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we >> >> >>>>>> >> used >> >> >>>>>> >> to >> >> >>>>>> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the >> >> >>>>>> >> largest >> >> >>>>>> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how >> >> >>>>>> >> much >> >> >>>>>> >> other >> >> >>>>>> >> providers hated us. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the >> >> >>>>>> >> agencies >> >> >>>>>> >> to >> >> >>>>>> >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge >> >> >>>>>> >> since >> >> >>>>>> >> one >> >> >>>>>> >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the >> >> >>>>>> >> growth >> >> >>>>>> >> of >> >> >>>>>> >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out >> >> >>>>>> >> free >> >> >>>>>> >> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' >> >> >>>>>> >> efforts >> >> >>>>>> >> to >> >> >>>>>> >> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further >> >> >>>>>> >> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings >> >> >>>>>> >> to >> >> >>>>>> >> Grades F and FT only. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask >> >> >>>>>> >> for >> >> >>>>>> >> it. I >> >> >>>>>> >> approved several such applications when I was there. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> Eric >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM, <ta...@sabily.my> wrote: >> >> >>>>>> >> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama. >> >> >>>>>> >> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on >> >> >>>>>> >> > OSS >> >> >>>>>> >> > bukan dalam >> >> >>>>>> >> > lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang >> >> >>>>>> >> > menolak >> >> >>>>>> >> > OSS >> >> >>>>>> >> > adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, >> >> >>>>>> >> > contohnya DG >> >> >>>>>> >> > (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, >> >> >>>>>> >> > DG >> >> >>>>>> >> > (cikgu) juga >> >> >>>>>> >> > ada fighter untuk OSS. >> >> >>>>>> >> > Sorry, I have no number again.. >> >> >>>>>> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via >> >> >>>>>> >> > Vodafone-Celcom >> >> >>>>>> >> > Mobile. >> >> >>>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>>> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> >>>>>> >> > From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte >> >> >>>>>> >> > <msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> >> >> >>>>>> >> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com >> >> >>>>>> >> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19 >> >> >>>>>> >> > To: <osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com> >> >> >>>>>> >> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com >> >> >>>>>> >> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ? >> >> >>>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>>> >> > OSCC exists on paper only now. >> >> >>>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>>> >> > Eric >> >> >>>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF >> >> >>>>>> >> > <garfi...@debmal.my> >> >> >>>>>> >> > wrote: >> >> >>>>>> >> >> @Harisfazillah >> >> >>>>>> >> >> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people >> >> >>>>>> >> >> to >> >> >>>>>> >> >> get >> >> >>>>>> >> >> the >> >> >>>>>> >> >> jobs >> >> >>>>>> >> >> done nicely. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much >> >> >>>>>> >> >> capable >> >> >>>>>> >> >> ppl >> >> >>>>>> >> >> left at >> >> >>>>>> >> >> there. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too >> >> >>>>>> >> >> overload, >> >> >>>>>> >> >> until >> >> >>>>>> >> >> ==> cat /proc/loadavg ==> 150.00 80.00 70.00 <== WAH!!! >> >> >>>>>> >> >> If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave >> >> >>>>>> >> >> soon... >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> -- >> >> >>>>>> >> >> GarfieldWTF >> >> >>>>>> >> >> Debian User Community (Malaysia) >> >> >>>>>> >> >> http://debmal.my >> >> >>>>>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>>>>> >> >> CS Squad VPS Hosting >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> -- >> >> >>>>>> >> >> To unsubscribe from and detail about this group >> >> >>>>>> >> >> http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>>> >> > -- >> >> >>>>>> >> > To unsubscribe from and detail about this group >> >> >>>>>> >> > http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information >> >> >>>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>>> >> > MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 >> >> >>>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>>> >> > -- >> >> >>>>>> >> > To unsubscribe from and detail about this group >> >> >>>>>> >> > http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information >> >> >>>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>>> >> > MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 >> >> >>>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> -- >> >> >>>>>> >> To unsubscribe from and detail about this group >> >> >>>>>> >> http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> > -- >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >>>>>> > Maui Sabily 2011 >> >> >>>>>> > GPG KeyID: DBDA3074 >> >> >>>>>> > GPG Fingerprint: 3CCE D281 C894 4FB0 3D22 2141 75C6 E41F DBDA >> >> >>>>>> > 3074 >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> > Soire Meira 2008 - 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