In-flight transactions or service invocations are application specific and not 
handled by the OSGi framework. You may need to be able to handle unexpected 
outages as well.

We, probably like most others, have addressed that at the higher application 
level by providing explicit graceful shutdown operations that precede the 
framework shutdown. It’s a pattern each vendor will need to determine for 
themselves, I guess.

We had related discussions around the startup and the famous ‘ready service’. 
The problem lies in defining the state ‘ready’.

    Tim.

> On Feb 13, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Raymond Auge <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> To my knowledge what you are speaking of is not intentionally supported by 
> the dynamics of osgi. This topic comes up all the time, it's funny.
> 
> If you must support "in flight" changes, then you have to implement this 
> support in your code using concurrency constructs.
> 
> Note that unregistering a service is a synchronous operation during 
> "shutdown" of a bundle, and so with proper concurrency measures in place, a 
> bundle could both be shutting down (meaning it's not reachable by other 
> bundles) and also finishing any ongoing work.
> 
> Anyone feel free to correct me but this is what I've learned in my short 
> experience.
> 
> - Ray
> 
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Christian Schneider 
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> I had a longer discussion with Guillaume Nodet about how to shut down bundles 
> cleanly. The main question was if you can cleanly shut down bundles with just 
> the OSGi APIs or if we are missing something.
> 
> So the thing to define is: what does clean shutdown mean? Clean would refer 
> to the fact that none of the inflight calls the bundle processes are 
> disturbed.
> 
> Case A
> So what could happen. In the simplest case a bundle might simply process a 
> long running service call.
> 
> 1. The call started before the bundle was stopped
> 2. Then the bundle is stopped
> 3. The bundle is refreshed or uninstalled
> 4. At some later point the call finishes
> 
> So what happens with the inflight call after 3?
> Can the running thread still work normally?
> 
> One issue that might arise is that during stop the bundle might have shut 
> down some needed resources. This is in control of the developer, so I think 
> it should be no big issue.
> The question though is what happens to the Classloader of the bundle?
> The stop operation should be no problem here but what about refresh, update 
> or uninstall? Does this old classloader still work then?
> If the classloader does not work anymore how should this case be handled?
> Does the bundle have to make sure all inflight processing is done before stop 
> is finished?
> 
> 
> Case B
> This could be even more complex when you have chained service calls.
> Service A1 in bundle A calls service B1 in bundle B
> 
> 1. Service call in A1 starts processing
> 2 Bundle B is stopped
> 3. bundle B is uninstalled
> 3. Service A1 tries to call service B
> 
> For blueprint I know that the call to service B will block because of the 
> service damping.
> What happens in DS here? Normally DS would stop Service A1 when the Service 
> B1 disappears but the call to service A1 already started.
> I think that in this case Service A1 will still have an instance of B1 
> injected. So the call to B1 will probably happen, even if B1 was uninstalled 
> in the mean time.
> So I think we might have the same classloader issue as in the first case. The 
> problem is though that bundle B cannot defer stopping because it does not see 
> an inflight call at the point where it stops.
> 
> I think one solution to avoid Case B could be to stop bundles according to 
> their service dependencies. So you would first stop bundle B then bundle A. 
> Is this the recommended solution? Is this already automated in OSGi in some 
> way?
> 
> 
> Case C
> An even more complicated case is when one or more extenders are involved that 
> create services on behalf of the bundles. Are there any best practices around 
> this?
> 
> I have seen that there is the Quiesce API in aries that seems to cover 
> shutting down bundles when extenders are involved.
> See 
> https://github.com/apache/aries/blob/trunk/quiesce/quiesce-api/src/main/java/org/apache/aries/quiesce/participant/QuiesceParticipant.java
>  
> <https://github.com/apache/aries/blob/trunk/quiesce/quiesce-api/src/main/java/org/apache/aries/quiesce/participant/QuiesceParticipant.java>
> 
> The API seems to be aries specific though. Is something like that necessary 
> or should plain OSGi APIs offer enough flexibility for this case too?
> 
> Christian
> 
> -- 
> Christian Schneider
> http://www.liquid-reality.de <http://www.liquid-reality.de/>
> 
> Open Source Architect
> http://www.talend.com <http://www.talend.com/>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> OSGi Developer Mail List
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> https://mail.osgi.org/mailman/listinfo/osgi-dev 
> <https://mail.osgi.org/mailman/listinfo/osgi-dev>
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Raymond Augé <http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile> (@rotty3000)
> Senior Software Architect Liferay, Inc. <http://www.liferay.com/> (@Liferay)
> Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <http://osgi.org/> (@OSGiAlliance)
> _______________________________________________
> OSGi Developer Mail List
> [email protected]
> https://mail.osgi.org/mailman/listinfo/osgi-dev

_______________________________________________
OSGi Developer Mail List
[email protected]
https://mail.osgi.org/mailman/listinfo/osgi-dev

Reply via email to