In PojoSR and thus I assume you can install, start, and stop bundles. You 
cannot update, resolve, or uninstall for obvious reasons. It is uncannily close 
to a real framework :-)

Kind regards,

        Peter Kriens


> On 24 mei 2016, at 23:43, Neil Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 24 May 2016, at 21:57, Christian Schneider <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> On 24.05.2016 21:02, Scott Lewis wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah you can do this, but my observation is that very few are. 
>>> 
>>> I would also suggest that the classes/API in the launch package (e.g. 
>>> BundleFinder) are/would be essential [1], as launch configuration is 
>>> extremely important to address more than a few use cases.   Actually, I 
>>> also think that some standard config properties (e.g. BundleFinder impls, 
>>> or specific bundles to be added/started on startup) would be useful, but I 
>>> haven't thought that through yet.
>>> 
>> I agree. A big part is finding and selecting the bundles to start. This is 
>> not covered by FrameworkFactory.
> 
> I’m confused, are you still talking about Connect? In Connect, you cannot 
> install, update or uninstall bundles, because that would require the full 
> OSGi lifecycle and classloaders. Instead, Connect automatically gives you 
> ersatz bundles representing JARs on the classpath. You can, however, start 
> and stop these bundles because that only requires setting a flag and calling 
> a callback (they are all started by default when the framework starts).
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Another interesting part would be a kind of health check. 
>> When I start a feature or bundles in karaf I can use the shell to introspect 
>> if the bundles are all resolved and start correctly and which DS components 
>> are started and which are not.
>> For embedded OSGi where you typically do not have a shell it would be great 
>> to have some configureable health checks that tell you if something might be 
>> wrong in your setup.
>> One example would be that I expect that all bundles are started and all DS 
>> components come up. I am not sure if this requires an API though. It could 
>> simply be a bundle.
>> Of course this would be interesting for other OSGi deployments too. 
> 
> This area is always tricky because there are common scenarios in which some 
> bundles/components do not start but the overall application is still 
> considered to have successfully started. So the health-check would need 
> application-specific knowledge. You’re right that this can be implemented in 
> a bundle.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Christian
>> 
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