Well, OSGi is a component model so it would be surprising if we all thought the 
same, especially in open source. At least OSGi allows full co-operation between 
these ‘camps’.

That said, I think is quickly getting closer to the DS ‘camp’, Christian seems 
to spend a lot of effort. 

Kind regards,

        Peter Kriens

> On 9 jun. 2016, at 12:48, Milen Dyankov <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I "like" how someone described OSGi community divided into camps! From one 
> side, it kind of makes me fell better to know I'm not the only one having 
> this strange feeling! From the other side, it makes me sad that more people 
> are feeling this way. 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Daniel McGreal <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> That was me, and yes, that’s the correct interpretation - the feedback as 
> several other contributors*.
> 
> We don’t like to take the implied responsibility for maintaining jars we 
> repackage ourselves with OSGi MANIFEST.MF headers for a variety of reasons. 
> Luckily the situation is getting better, based on my experience. 
> Generation tools are better, more convenient and therefore more prevalent 
> (thanks bnd-maven-plugin).
> OSGi headers are cropping up from source more and more regularly (I’d love to 
> see another scan of central to see how many jars supply them, broken down by 
> popularity).
> ServiceMix provides distributions, though they sometimes seemingly haven’t 
> been tested.
> Karaf wrap means things frequently just work at deployment time
> 
> Best, Dan.
> 
> * Balazs, I’d meekly suggest grouping the ‘other’ responses and including 
> into the graphs where significant. For example, Karaf shell clearly deserves 
> a place if the extra responses were grouped, as does Vaadin for UIs, etc.
> 
>> On 8 Jun 2016, at 20:53, Balázs Zsoldos <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> My guess is that OSGi metadata here mean the OSGi MANIFEST headers and the 
>> sentence mean something like the following: Lot's of technologies do not 
>> have the OSGi MANIFEST headers in their jars, but thanks to ServiceMix the 
>> situation is getting better (as ServiceMix re-packages many popular jars)
> 
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