Hi Guillaume ,

I like the new modular, independent bundles idea/approach.
Opinions in the past have suggested that Karaf was too heavy for a lot of use cases, you might have solved that problem.
The "independent" features feature is now on my list to investigate,

Thanks for info,

Paul

On 15/06/2016 9:54 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
Karaf 4 is very modular and uses its own feature definitions to build distributions and has very few requirements.
You can even use the features service to build "static" distributions for 
micro-services.
There's no such concept of "full karaf" anymore with Karaf 4, there's only a default distribution which comes with pre-installed features.

The features service bundle depends on 3 packages which are not provided by the system bundle: org.slf4j, org.osgi.service.cm <http://org.osgi.service.cm/>, org.ops4j.pax.url.mvn. We even use the service outside of OSGi during the maven build. Worst-scenario, you can build your own bundle on top of it, embed the code you need and get rid of unwanted dependencies.

The way it works is the following:
  * you define requirements (which can be on Karaf features, or any kind of 
requirements)
* karaf features provide possible bundles to solve those requirements (but you could use a Repository, even though those needs to be used with great care) * you launch the features service which will : compute the new wiring, compute the actions to perform to go to it (uninstallation, installation, refreshes, etc...), and apply those actions.

And I agree with Peter, it's quite difficult to implement correctly, so I definitely would not recommend rewriting such a thing from scratch, unless you have quite some time to spend on it.


2016-06-15 13:29 GMT+02:00 Paul F Fraser <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>>:

    Hi Guillaume ,

    Are the Karaf features usable without full karaf, i.e. Standalone ?

    Paul


    On 15/06/2016 9:24 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
    Yes, that's perfectly doable.
    We've implemented that in Karaf 4.0.  You need to use karaf features for 
that.  Bundles will
    be uninstalled when no longer required in a very reliable way because it 
uses the OSGi
    resolver to actually compute the wiring.

    Guillaume


    2016-06-15 13:18 GMT+02:00 Paul F Fraser <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>>:

        Thanks Marcel, Neil and Peter,

        From Peter's comment

        "I think it is incredibly hard to do this reliably with the extensive 
requirement capabilities of OSGi"

        Is this why Aries subsystems have a phase where bundle versions are 
locked in for
        deployment of the subsystem?

        Paul





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