http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=573 2/23/2005 Clip No. 573 Top Iraqi Terrorist Shihab Al-Sab'awi Tells of His Training in Syria and Activity in Iraq (Longer Version) The following are excerpts from the interrogation of Shihab Al-Sab'awi the deputy commander of the Fateh Army terrorist organization in Iraq: Interviewer: This is the third-in-command in this army, Lt. Colonel Shihab Al-Saba'wi, deputy of 'Abdallah Hanna Klana, commander of the Al-Fateh army. Shihab, I'd like you to tell us how you came to know this criminal and about your first journey to Islamabad and training there. Who supervised the training, and who was with you? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: I first met 'Abdallah Klana, who is known as Abu Bakr� Actually, he approached me in a mosque, in 2001. He offered us� He told us he would arrange for us to go train in Islamabad � for me, 'Abd al-Wahhab and for Muhannad� He said: "You will benefit from it. You'll approve your preparedness, develop your Jihad skills � gathering information, booby-trapping, explosions, kidnapping - this sort of thing. Interviewer: Did you carry out any Jihad operations during (Saddam's) regime, or did you await instructions? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: We waited for instructions and watched how the situation was developing, since the American threats continued all these years. We heard these threats, we heard that America was going to occupy the country, and it made us prepare to fight Jihad against the Americans and to prevent them from entering the country. Interviewer: Where did you go after this training? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: (Abu Bakr) arranged another course for me, 'Abd Al-Wahhab and Muhannad � a course in Latakiya, Syria, after the regime fell. This course lasted for a month. Interviewer: Who supervised this training? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: There were Syrians there. Interviewer: What kind of Syrians? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Syrian intelligence. Interviewer: Syrian intelligence. Did you see Anas there at the time, or maybe you didn't know him? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: No, we didn't see him there. Interviewer: What kind of training did you receive? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: More or less the same kind of training as in Islamabad, only more concentrated. We trained in booby-trapping, explosions, and kidnappings, so when we would return to Iraq we'd all begin to carry them out against the American forces. Of course we were convinced that we must fight the Americans. No Iraqi or Muslim will tolerate the occupation of their land by an infidel. Interviewer: When we were chatting a couple of hours ago, you described a situation to me. I'd like you to recount it for my superiors. You said to me: We received training in slaughtering, how slaughtering must be carried out. What did the Syrian instructors use to slaughter in front of you in order to teach you how to slaughter? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Animals. We didn't slaughter human beings in Syria. Interviewer: They didn't slaughter human beings, but some Syrian intelligence officers brought some animals to the camp and they told you to imagine these animals were human beings that should be slaughtered in this manner. Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Yes. Interviewer: Didn't you know that this was a premeditated plan to carry out inhuman missions in Iraq? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: At first we didn't imagine that this was the purpose. Interviewer: When you returned to Iraq after this month of training you lived in apartments rented by the Syrian government. Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Yes. Interviewer: The Syrian intelligence officers stayed at Muhannad's house. He is the one who gave them shelter, protected them, looked after their needs, and did whatever they asked. Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Yes. Interviewer: After that you went on your third trip, and the countdown began. Who was your target, and what was your first operation? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: At first, we were convinced that the target was the Americans. So the operations targeted the Americans, which was easy at first. It wasn't as difficult as recently. The Americans had Hummers, Armored Personnel Carrieres, foot patrols in the streets � all these were targets. Interviewer: What made you suddenly shift from attacking the occupation forces to attacks on� the National Guard, and where did these instructions come from? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: They came from Abdallah Abu Bakr, who received them from Anas. Interviewer: Anas, the Syrian officer? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Yes, the Syrian officer. Through Anas. Interviewer: When you carried out these operations, you did so as the deputy of this army? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Yes. Interviewer: How many Emirs were at your command? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Seven Emirs. Interviewer: What salary of each Emir? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: $1,500 Interviewer: Where did you get the cars you gave people and squads? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: The money came from Syria. Interviewer: The money for the salaries? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: From Syria. Interviewer: As for the Emirs, can you tell me what each squad specialized in? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Each squad had to know everything. Every squad had to know how to use mortars, how to bomb, how to collect intelligence. Each squad had to be independent. For example, Imad's squad specialized in mortars, but it also knew how to bomb. The squad members had to be proficient in everything, in order to be prepared for any mission. Interviewer: As the deputy commander of this army - how did you someone become an Emir, so that his salary would rise to $1,500? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: According to his qualifications� Interviewer: What exactly did he have to do to become an Emir? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: More operations� Interviewer: According to the information the Syrian officer gave us, the rank of Emir was only given after slaughtering ten people of more. Shihab Al-Saba'wi: That is the number decided by the Syrians. Interviewer: Did anyone become an Emir without slaughtering? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Whether Emir or not, he had to kill people in combat. Interviewer: No, I'm talking about slaughtering, not combat. combat is one thing, but as for slaughtering � he had to slaughter. Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Yes. Interviewer: Some squad leaders said that when they would set out to murder and slaughter, you would join them. Abd Al-Wahhab and some squad leaders said the first slaughtering operation was done by you. Shihab Al-Saba'wi: I supervised them, not all� Interviewer: But the first operation� Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Yes, the first operation� Interviewer: The first operation was done by you. Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Yes. Interviewer: According to our information, you yourself manufactured bombs and car bombs, trained other squad members, and supervised them directly. Shihab Al-Saba'wi: I would guide and supervise� Interviewer: And what about the manufacturing? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: I would supervise and help those who didn't know how. Interviewer: We found traces of TNT and gunpowder in the mosque. How many times did you make these explosives in the mosque? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Many times. Interviewer: How many slaughtering operations were carried out under your supervision? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Ten or eleven. Interviewer: These were carried out under your supervision? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Yes. Interviewer: How many assassinations or shootings were carried out at your order? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Five or six. Interviewer: In your opinion, is it permitted to make explosives and bombs in a mosque? Isn't a mosque a sacred place? Shihab Al-Saba'wi: Mosques are sacred, but we believed we were fighting Jihad against the Americans and the infidel forces occupying our country. You must fight them with any possible means. ------------------------ Yahoo! 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