Irrelevant of course...capabilities of a terrorist has nothing to do with
his guilt in planning/attempting a terrorist act.
 
B

 "threat is not based on whether you think the perps can pull off the act,
but whether they think they can."
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Experts Say Explosives In Car Trunk Were Unlikely To Harm Naval Station


By ELAINE SILVESTRINI The Tampa Tribune

Published: Sep 26, 2007

TAMPA - When two Egyptian students at the University of South Florida were
charged with having explosives in their trunk, a South Carolina sheriff said
the men may have targeted a nearby naval weapons station.

Determining what exactly Ahmed Mohamed and Youssef Megahed planned to do
with the devices illustrates "the fundamental problem we have across the
board when we try to deal with terrorism," said explosives expert, Michael
Hopmeier, president of Unconventional Concepts, an engineering and
consulting firm.

Discerning whether the two students posed a threat is complicated by the
fact that Hopmeier and other experts contacted by The Tampa Tribune question
whether the devices described by a federal prosecutor could have done much
damage.

"Anything can be a terrorist device," Hopmeier said. "You can kill somebody
with a ballpoint pen or a rolled-up newspaper or a book of matches. The
question is not the technology but the intent. &hellip Whether they caught
them with anything or nothing in the back of their car doesn't speak to
whether they are terrorists or would-be terrorists."

A lack of direct evidence about the students' intent was central to a
federal magistrate's decision that one of the men should be released on bail
under restrictive conditions. That ruling is under appeal, and both men
remain behind bars. The students are scheduled to be arraigned Oct. 3.

When a federal prosecutor struggled during the bail hearing to convince the
judge that one of the students is too dangerous to be released, he didn't
mention the military installation. The prosecutor told the judge about
"jihadi" images found on a laptop computer and about the men's travels and
ties abroad but said he had no direct information on what the students
intended to do with the devices.

A defense attorney says the idea that the men could threaten the heavily
fortified military facility is far-fetched.

Deputies, backed up by bomb technicians, described the devices in the trunk
as pipe bombs.

But Assistant U.S. Attorney Jay Hoffer said they are not pipe bombs or
destructive devices.


Station Wasn't Compromised


An arrest report shows that Berkeley County, S.C., deputies stopped the men,
Mohamed, 26, and Megahed, 21, about seven miles from the Goose Creek Naval
Weapons Station.

Andrew Savage, Megahed's attorney in South Carolina, said there was no
evidence the men could have done anything to compromise the military
installation. "They didn't have anything in their car that would confront
the armed guards," Savage said. "They didn't have any surveillance material;
they didn't have binoculars; they didn't have anything to launch an attack
on the United States military."

Jonathan Turley, a George Washington University law professor who has been
critical of the Justice Department's terrorism prosecutions, said, "Anyone
driving through the South is likely to be within close proximity of some
military site or target of interest. If they had been crossing a bridge
[when they were pulled over], it's very easy to isolate sinister acts to
create a circumstantial case. The job of the defense is to show that for
every sinister fact, there can be an equally compelling, innocent
explanation."

A federal indictment unsealed Aug. 31 charges both men with transporting
explosives without a permit and Mohamed with trying to help terrorists by
teaching or demonstrating the use of explosives. That charge stems from a
video Hoffer said Mohamed admitted posting to the YouTube Web site in which
he showed how to turn a remote-controlled toy car into a bomb detonator. On
the video, Mohamed said the detonator could "save one who wants to be a
martyr for another day, another battle," Hoffer said.


Materials' Potency Challenged


During a bail hearing for Megahed, Hoffer described the devices found in the
trunk as three pieces of PVC pipe, each a foot long or shorter. They were,
Hoffer said, filled with a "low-grade explosive" mixture of potassium
nitrate, Karo syrup and kitty litter, with the litter used as a binder to
keep the substance from coming out of the pipes, which did not have caps.
Also in the car was a 20-foot length of safety fuse and a container of
gasoline.

Although the fuse and potassium nitrate are included in the federal law that
lists regulated explosives, experts say pipe bombs typically are made of
metal and have caps on the ends so pressure can be built up to create an
explosion.

The devices that Hoffer described are "not the most powerful combination" as
far as explosives are concerned, said Craig Gundry, consultant on
anti-terrorism matters for Critical Intervention Services, a private
security and intelligence firm in Clearwater. He added, however, that "the
combination of circumstances is certainly suspicious."

Gundry said his gut reaction is that the devices were not intended to be
used in terrorism, but "these are certainly individuals interested in
terrorism and experimenting."

Another expert said the students might have been part of something larger.

"Maybe they were meeting up with other people," said Steve Purl, chief
operating officer of Grand Investigative Security Services in St.
Petersburg. "Maybe it was going to be used as some sort of distraction
device."

The devices "would have to explode within a foot of you" to do any damage,
Purl said. They would need some kind of initiator, an electronic device or
an explosive device, to detonate. The filled PVC pipes "were more of a
slow-burning distraction type device."

The content of the pipes would create "more of a fireball than an
explosion," said Hopmeier, whose firm is based in Mary Esther. He compared
it to the flash created by the powder old-time photographers used to light
subjects.

"It might have caused a burst of flame," Hopmeier said. "I guess if you had
hundreds of pounds of it, maybe it might do something.

"It sounds like the hazard was more along the lines of someone using large
fireworks as opposed to someone using explosives," Hopmeier said.

Both Purl and Gundry, however, said the devices were not fireworks.

Even if they were fireworks, depending on the amount, taking them across
state lines without a permit could be enough for a conviction on the
explosives transporting charge. "To the extent they're fireworks, it would
be a violation committed by tens of thousands of people every year," Turley
said.


YouTube Video Also Downplayed


Although Hoffer did not disclose many details about the YouTube video,
experts said the idea of using toys as remote bomb detonators is nothing
new. They said they doubt sophisticated terrorists would learn anything from
Mohamed's YouTube video.

"I'm inclined not to make a big deal about it," Purl said. "I assure you, by
prosecuting him, the video is going to be seen by way more people. It's like
banning a book."

Turley, the law professor, said prosecutors are going to have a hard time
making a case that a YouTube video constitutes support of terrorists.
"Usually, cases involving training of terrorists encompass direct
educational or training efforts, someone who is directing known individuals
in how to engage in terrorist activities," he said. "YouTube would be a
strange to place attempt to train a future al-Qaida terrorist. There are
plenty of nonterrorist students who have taped a &hellip YouTube video
because of their fascination with these devices."

One tracker disagrees with Turley, saying that YouTube is a popular site
among jihadists.

"There is nothing at all 'strange' about jihadist use of YouTube," said A.
Aaron Weisburd, founder of the jihadi tracking Web site Internet Haganah and
director of the Society for Internet Research, a nonprofit counterterrorism
research organization. "It suits their purposes quite well."

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