Spinning Jihadism and stopping the clash -- postscript
<http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000630.htm>

10/08/2007

The article Spinning Islamist Extremism: When "justice" and "peace"
aren't what you think
<http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000623.htm>  by Jason
Guberman-Pfeffer, generated a very literate and interesting debate in
comments by Paul Hilder of Avaaz, by the author and by thoughtful others
that you can (and should) read for yourself there. The article
discusses, in particular, an attempt to whitewash or euphemize radical
Jihadism.

I will not hide that fact that this is a sensitive subject, and we were
hesitant to publish the article, because the editors felt that it might
be misunderstood -- or deliberately distorted -- as an attack on Islam.
However, we felt that the article raised important issues that required
discussion.

Following the strenuous protests of Paul Hilder of Avaaz, I gave some
thought to their presentation and to the issues that Hilder raised.
"Stop the clash," the title and theme of their presentation, is a slogan
that has embedded in it numerous unjustified and unjustifiable
assumptions. The first is that there is a clash between Islam
<http://www.mideastweb.org/Middle-East-Encyclopedia/Islam.htm>  (as a
whole) and the West. Anyone who has studied Bin Laden's rhetoric is
struck by how much of it is directed at other Muslims (see here
<http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=8ytztvdt6sy6x5p550p2m258myk1c1\
nm>  for example). This is first and foremost a war between moderate
Islam as it has evolved over many centuries, and an attempt to impose a
mythologized version of seventh century ethics on evolving Muslim
societies. Very probably, the motives of Bin Laden and his henchman are
the usual sort of thing: money and power. Osama Bin Laden
<http://www.mideastweb.org/osamabinladen1.htm>  and Al Qaeda
<http://www.mideastweb.org/Middle-East-Encyclopedia/Al-Qaeda.htm>  were
clever enough to channel anger at outsiders -- America and Israel -- in
order to delegitimize the so called infidel kufr regimes of the various
Muslim states, but all over the Middle East <http://mideastweb.org/> ,
religious leaders and ordinary people are slowly beginning to understand
the nature and aims of AL-Qaeda, issuing religious rulings against
terror and distancing themselves from extremist ideology. Hilder and
Avaaz are a bit behind the rest of the Middle East
<http://mideastweb.org/> . It appears, quite strangely, that Hilder is
rooting for the wrong team, an impression that is reinforced by his
public comments.

The second assumpton is that both sides are equally culpable. One is led
to believe that the hatred emanating from Bin Laden and his henchman is
matched by equal fanaticism on the part of Western leaders. Western
"Islamophobia" provoked the attacks in the Avaaz version of events. It
is an untenable assumption. Al Qaeda
<http://www.mideastweb.org/Middle-East-Encyclopedia/Al-Qaeda.htm>  and
Bin Laden perpetrated several unprovoked attacks on the United States
and Saudi Arabia, beginning well before the presidency of George Bush,
during an American administration that prosecuted a thankless war in
Kossovo to protect Muslims, and could not possibly be accused of
"Islamophobia" or provoking a war of civilizations by any stretch of the
imagination.

Hilder and Avaaz assume that "zealotry" is necessarily "bad," and that
Westerners don't like Muslims because they think they are zealots.
"Zealots" are not necessarily bad. There is no doubt that Mother Teresa
was a "zealot" in every sense of the word. Zealots who help others are
not bad. Zealots who blow people up and spread hate are bad.

A major underpinning assumption of Avaaz's argument is that if only
westerners show understanding for Muslim
<http://www.mideastweb.org/Middle-East-Encyclopedia/Muslim.htm> s, the
problems will "go away." Their video implies, and Hilder seems to state,
that while leaders are nasty, people are all "good." This faith in the
underlying goodness of "ordinary people" is the central part of the
catechism in this approach.

As an ethical and idealistic percept, it is a worthy way of viewing the
world. Hilder tells us in his comments:

The central characters in the video itself are are two women - one with
a headscarf, one without. The script runs like this:

"Is this how you see me? (Stereotyped images of a clash of
civilizations.) Look again. (It's more complicated.) Are we that
different? (Images of common humanity.) Why are we doing this to each
other? We're afraid, and they're playing off our fears.

Do these guys speak for you? (Pictures of out-of-touch leaders.) Who
speaks for you? You do. Global public opinion is the new superpower. If
the people lead, the leaders will follow. (Case studies of people
power.)

Together we can stop the clash of civilizations. Change the policy -
change the perception - change the world. Demand Real Middle East Peace
Talks Now."

Stop the Clash is fundamentally talking about, and to, ordinary people
-- not ideologues; about Muslims, not radical violent Islamists.

Indeed, this sounds very convincing and "uplifting." It is a theme that
runs through much discourse that pretends to be analysis of the problems
of the Middle East <http://mideastweb.org/> .

Unfortunately, it doesn't have anything much to do with reality. One of
the unsolved riddles of political science, mostly unaddressed in fact,
is how masses of ordinary people, nice people, good people who work hard
and love their families, who are quiet and orderly and virtuous in their
private lives, can be moved to support the most hateful and evil things.
When a sweet-looking little girl says "I want to grow up to be a suicide
bomber just like mommy," we begin to understand what ordinary people can
do. The Russian soldiers who suppressed the Hungarian revolution were
ordinary people. The millions of Austrians who lined the streets when
the Nazis entered Vienna were ordinary people. The Polish troops that
suppressed the Polish rebellion were ordinary people, and the guards in
the gulags and the death camps of the twentieth century were ordinary
people. The inhabitants of Salem who killed "witches" were also ordinary
people, good people.

The ability of masses of ordinary, nice people, to be the agents of the
worst barbarities ever perpetrated by mankind is probably the most
horrifying fact that emerged in the twentieth century, though it is not
a product of that century necessarily. Nobody really understands how it
is possible, but it is a fact that cannot be ignored.

Picture poor Ermintrude in bombed-out Frankfort, lovingly knitting socks
for the Winterhilfe and worrying about her dear husband Fritz, away out
there in the east, in the bitter cold, guarding that place in Poland
where they sent all those evil Jews <http://zionism-israel.com/Jew.htm>
. Ermintrude and Fritz were loyal citizens, good citizens. Someone had
to do the work, right?

We must never give up on the humanity of others, but we cannot base
political analysis on this lovely ideal. In those societies, which
Hilder doesn't seem to understand, people power, which he advocates,
often cannot do very much. The ordinary Russian could not change Russia
in 1956. The ordinary German could not change Germany in 1940 even if
they wanted to, and an entire generation had been brought up to believe
that what they were doing was quite correct. Many ordinary Britons and
ordinary Germans had a lot of dialogue before World War II, but it did
not avert the war. Some Germans indeed tried to change Germany, but they
were powerless and failed. "Grass roots activism" is not likely to bring
about rapid change in a closed or authoritarian society, where dissent
is punished by death or ostracism. That doesn't mean dialog is not a
worthwhile investment. It is necessary, but not sufficient. Moreover,
anyone who has engaged in dialogue in the Middle East knows that people
who follow the extremists make themselves inaccessible to dialogue.

Only foolish people would believe that a Niqab or a Hijab necessarily
hide a fanatic, while a person in Western dress is "OK." If that was the
point of the video, then it is trivial. There are many fanatics in
Western dress (Said Qutb was one), and, on the other hand, I have
personally met many women in Hijabs who advocate democracy and peace.
But if one of the ladies in the video were to say that she is proud that
her son is a suicide bomber, then I would have to conclude that there is
a fundamental and unbridgeable difference between that person's way of
thought and mine.

What about the ordinary people pictured below?







They are not leaders. They are followers. Are we all quite sure that
those demonstrators are peaceful and reasonable and just like us folks?
They are not "zealots?" What sort of dialog can we have with them, and
on what basis? Isn't it naive to expect to have a reasonable dialogue
with such people?

Now picture a nice little girl and her mother, Jewish settlers in
Hebron. They are both nice ordinary people. What could be bad about a
sweet little girl? But the little girl's mother believes that all the
Arabs must be thrown out of Hebron, and the little girl kicks Arab
little girls and curses them. Don't we have to show understanding to
them? Don't they have legitimate grievances? While it is quite obvious
to everyone that what these ordinary people are doing must be condemned,
for some reason it is not so obvious that their Islamist counterparts
must be condemned unequivocally.

But Hilder's comments show something beyond naivete. He writes:

The basic problem with Jason's article is that it presents Stop the
Clash as an apology for radical Islamism and an attack on the West...

We could give him the benefit of the doubt, but in his comments he goes
on to make explicit the apology for radical Islam and the attack on the
West:

It's also profoundly wrong and insulting to take al-Qaeda's analysis of
the principal grievances of the Muslim world as either accurate or
representative of the Muslim world. I prefer to look at polling, expert
opinion and conversations with Muslims themselves, which yields clear
answers - Palestine above all, now Iraq rising to join it, then Chechyna
and so on, and a general sense of disrespect, inequality and
humiliation...

What is Hilder saying here? Is his representation of the grievances of
ordinary Muslims any more reasonable than that of Osama Bin Laden? Is it
reasonable for Muslims to be angry at America because of Russian
intervention in Chechnya and Jihadist bombings in Iraq?

Does he really believe that the number one problem of Ahmed the fallah,
who is illiterate, has six kids and earns $300 a year and suffers from
schistosomiasis, is the liberation of Palestine? Perhaps that really is
what concerns Ahmed most. If you asked Ermintrude about her number one
problem in 1943, she might say it was the Jews
<http://zionism-israel.com/Jew.htm>  and the Bolsheviks. That is what
she was taught in the Bund Deutscher Madchen, simple soul, so that is
what she believed. She might also find it wise not to express concern
about the lack of food for baby Adolf. Ahmed was taught in his mosque to
believe that his number one problem is "liberating" "Palestine." He
learned in his textbooks that Jews are the root of all evil He reads in
the newpaper that Hitler didn't finish his work, and he hears on Radio
Cairo that the Zionists are the cause of his poverty, while in al Ahram
he can read that it is the fault of the Americans as well as the
Zionists. All the wise and honored people in his society say so, so that
is what he believes. Isn't Hilder adopting this narrative? Isn't he
attacking the West? Isn't he straining credibility when he tries to
justify the 2001 attacks on the Twin Towers as caused by the 2003
invasion of Iraq?

The crisis of Al Qaeda and radical Islam burst upon the world
unexpectedly. As most of the "experts" were of the same persuasion as
Paul Hilder, they did not predict it. It created a buyer's market for
Middle East <http://mideastweb.org/>  analysis, and almost anything
goes. People want to hear things that agree with their pet ideas about
the world, so there are "religious" schools that cater to these ideas.
If you are so inclined, you can get an analysis like that of Hilder, or
if you prefer, you can go to a different "church" and get an analysis
like that of Steve Emerson, depending on whom you want to hate.

People are the "same" but people and cultures are also different in
different parts of the world. Political culture, for example, was not
the same in Britain of 1938 as it was in Germany of 1938, as Mr.
Chamberlain found out, nor was it the same in the United States of 1944
as it was in the USSR of 1944, as Messrs Roosevelt and Churchill found
out. It is very hard to look at what is happening, and try to untangle
it, without falling into the trap of demonizing the other side and
following the line of the Jihadwatch types (or Al-Qaeda if you are a
Muslim) or else making the mistake of trying to project your values on
to another society and assume that "those people are just like me, there
there must be a rational reason for what they do."

Mr. Hilder is convinced that the Egyptians, given democracy, will vote
for a peaceful and reasonable solution, but most Egyptians seem to be
convinced that elections would put the Muslim Brotherhood in power. They
may consider this a reasonable solution. Here are some more pictures.
Are we quite sure that people like this will choose a "wise" solution
and opt for democracy? Remember, they are ordinary people, just like the
ones in the Avaaz film, just like Egyptian voters:







Are they zealots? These demonstrators are ordinary people, not leaders,
but they believe terrible ideas, and they do terrible things. That is
what Paul Hilder fails to understand. That is also what the Islamophobes
trivialize and demonize and oversimplify in their own way. The Jihadists
and their followers do not represent all Muslims, but rather a
perversion of Muslim thinking, just as Hitler and Nazism didn't
represent all of the West, but rather a perversion of Western and German
thinking. Those who pointed out the excesses of Stalin or Hitler were
not all Germanophobes and Russophobes, and those who apologized for
Nazism or Communism weren't doing anything to help the Russian or German
people.

Paul Hilder notes, "I don't blame Jason for his mistake. I wish him well
in his studies. I encourage him to read a little more broadly, and to
think a little more inquiringly. It takes a long time to understand this
conflict properly, and I'm not convinced even I do fully."

To paraphrase Hilder, "I don't blame Paul for his mistake. I wish him
well if he truly means well. I encourage him to read a little more
broadly, and to think a little more inquiringly before reaching
conclusions and disseminating them so widely. It takes a long time to
understand this conflict properly." I know darn well that I don't
"fully" understand the conflict. It is pretty certain that nobody does.
Therefore it is a good idea to keep an open mind. Nobody has earned a
license to tell others that they don't understand it "properly."
Dialogue is not just for other people. It begins at home.

Some day mankind may have a much better understanding of social
processes as well as of the phyical universe and more inscrutable
problems. Meanwhile, however, analyses and positions have to also be
evaluated for their political impact. An analysis that legitimizes the
narrative of extremists and Jihadism is not only very probably
incorrect, it is dangerous, because it undermines the attempts of
reformists in Islam to get a hearing in their societies. It plays into
the hands of those who insist that Muslim moderates and advocates of
democracy are tools of American imperialism and "Zionism."

Ami Isseroff

PS - Paul Hilder has posted an extensive comment below (at the Web
site). Eventually, I will get around to replying to that as well. Others
are invited to join. A.I.

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