Isn't it interesting, Julie, as you mention blame and judgement, that we seem 
to have difficulty speaking from a place of need rather than judgement?

It is amazing how easily a world view .... or a notion ... or a way of being 
... anchors itself into flesh and then creates the experience that we call 
living.  I wonder sometimes if we all just told the truth as it moves up from 
the body and presses up against us to be revealed ... if we only said "yes" 
when "yes" is what we meant ... and "no" when we are unwilling or unable; if we 
asked for what we wanted -- and didn't wait until we were desperate -- and were 
honest about what we are willing to give -- would the flow of energy ever be 
impeded?

Judi

>>> jsm...@mosquitonet.com 08/29/01 13:29 PM >>>
Hmmmm...... I see what you mean, Judi and Harrison.  There is that aspect of 
conflict that puts us in touch with ourselves.  The internal struggle that 
accompanies external conflict can force us to explore our deeper truths and 
meanings in life.  That exploration can result in important learning and growth.

And then there is that aspect of conflict that blames and judges the other.  It 
is the healing of this aspect, I think, that I was trying to get at in my 
earlier post.  This is the healing that allows us to have a shared truth with 
another rather than a solo truth that excludes the other.  That shared truth 
sometimes opens us to the possibility of recognizing our connection, our 
oneness.

I love the four laws of Spirit that Birgitt shared.

Thank you, everyone, for such thoughtful conversation.

Julie


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Harrison Owen
  To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
  Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:23 AM
  Subject: Re: AW: Central Asia


  At 11:40 AM 8/29/2001 -0300, you wrote:

    Hi all,

    A very rich exchange, indeed.  Intriguing to hear a plethora of experience!

    Julie -- you wrote...
    I spend some of my time mediating with people who are in conflict.  It seems
    to me that people in conflict are usually not in touch with truth.

    My experience has been that people in conflict -- including myself(!) are 
quite often beginning to touch their own truth when in conflict!

    Judi

  Personally I find that when folks are in conflict they are totally connected 
to the Truth -- their own. Not necessarily a bad thing if space can be provided 
so that some perspective may be achieved. And the good news about conflict is 
that somebody cares. No Conflict? Nobody cares! but you do need some space to 
move about in. which is why, I guess, we do what we do.

  ho



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