I agree with your observation Julie.  I had forgotten that about Scott Peck - a 
great author. Ken Wilber also does a good job summarizing the perspectives of 
many others - from around the world - on stages of spiritual development. (A 
Theory of Everything is a good place to start.) The worldview/ place of spirit 
from which we are used to responding will no longer serve. It is too small. And 
yet to move forward, we need to honour both the wisdom and the limitations of 
that perspective. And to do that with force but without anger or violence - no 
small challenge!

Thanks

Meg Salter

MegaSpace Consulting
416/486-6660
meg.sal...@sympatico.ca
www.megaspaceconsulting.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Julie Smith 
  To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu 
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 2:29 PM
  Subject: another peel of the onion


  Greetings All,

  The organization I work with sponsored a public forum this week concerning 
recent world events.  The purpose was to enter into a dialogue about what 
happened and what our response should be.  I found myself silenced by the way 
in which the panel and the audience defined the issues.  (This was not an OST 
event.)  We focused most of our two hours on the distinction between war and 
crime, leaving us with the options of retaliation and punishment for response.  
 Afterward, I learned that those present with different views felt this level 
of discussion was a necessary precondition to moving to the discussion they 
would like to have.  For that reason, many of us chose silence at that first 
community meeting.

  As I was silently sitting and watching and thinking, I found myself thinking 
of all these events in a new way.  In some ways, it helped me think about the 
discussion we are having on this list from a different perspective.  For that 
reason, I want to share my thoughts with you.  

  Several years ago I happened upon the book A Different Drum by M. Scott Peck. 
  That book is memorable to me because it introduced me to the concept of 
stages of spiritual development.  My recollection of those stages as described 
by Peck is this:

  Stage 1 is the stage of chaos.  People at this stage don't have rules to 
guide their lives or behavior.  Life is chaotic and uncertain.  Survival 
depends on taking from the world what is required to maintain life.  When we 
decide there must be a different and better way, we move to Stage 2.  

  Stage 2 is the stage of rules.  The yearning for those just emerging from 
Stage 1 is for order and certainty.   The natural place to find order and 
certainty is in rules.  Some people find meaningful rules in prison or in the 
military.  Others find meaningful rules in religious orders.   The common 
characteristic is a seeking for rules by which life can be ordered and 
understood.  This makes perfect sense when the only available alternative is a 
return to chaos.  After a time, however, rules become unsatisfying.  We learn 
that rules are shells empty of meaning.  The strict application of rules often 
violates our sense of humanity.  Rules too often hurt someone.  Many see that 
even religious rules hurt.  As disillusion with rules matures, we move to Stage 
3.

  Stage 3 is the stage of skepticism.  The skeptic rejects the rules of 
religious orders and most anything that cannot be verified in the physical 
world.  Skeptics often embrace science as a meaningful way to understand the 
world.  Most skeptics shudder at the words God, religion, and spirituality 
because they view all those words as embracing concepts they find naive and 
immature.  They have a hard time believing anyone still thinks that way 
anymore.  And yet...... over time skeptics find people they respect and like 
who use these words passionately, and they find they have moments when they 
wonder what other meanings the world might have.  Some begin moving toward 
Stage 4.

  Stage 4 is the stage of the mystic.  The mystic embraces the essence of 
religion and spirituality.  Unlike the religious fundamentalist who might talk 
in terms of rules, the mystic will most often talk in terms of principles.  
Love and all of its manifestations is the principle common to all mystics I am 
aware of.   

  So...... as I was sitting with my community talking about war and crime and 
retaliation and punishment, trying to absorb the deeper meaning the 
conversation had for so many in the room, it suddenly occurred to me that this 
was a conversation the Skeptic was having with itself.  And moving just a bit 
deeper, I realized that much of the strength of the United States lies in its 
many skeptics.  The scientific achievements of our many skeptics has created a 
world undreamed of even a century ago.  As a culture, I think we are probably 
predominantly skeptics.  Our primary collective identity, I think, is that of 
the skeptic.

  And then...... I saw how sheltered we all have been.  We have had the 
opportunity to maintain ourselves as a people in the stage of skepticism 
because for the most part we have not been challenged to respond to gripping 
tragedy in our own backyard.   We have perhaps been guilty of acts of Omission 
(not seeing the pain in other's lives, not responding to what we did see, 
isolating ourselves from others much less physically fortunate than ourselves, 
maintaining a willingness to be a "have" in the world of "haves" and 
"have-nots"), but we have not had so many times when we were faced with 
Comission of harm to others.  (I know in some ways that statement rings false, 
but in some ways it also rings true.)

  I began to wonder whether another way to see all of this is as a challenge to 
the Skeptic.  Maybe the ante just got upped.  Maybe the old question was 
whether the skeptic can maintain that place (that stage of development) when 
not faced with the hard life and death questions.  When the hardest moral and 
ethical questions have to do with our professions, not with who will live and 
who will die.  When we never have to face ourselves and ask, "for what am I 
willing to kill?"  And under what authority?  

  So the new question to the skeptic is exactly that: when is killing 
justified, and under what authority?  When are we justified in committing or 
supporting the deliberate destruction of another being?   Now that we are 
facing the prospect of massive killing in all directions, do we need to rethink 
our ideas about killing?

  I think the framing of the question of what is happening as "is it war or is 
it a crime" is an attempt to understand what is happening within a construct 
that cannot hold the question.  The framing is too narrow, incomplete.  And 
that is why we all keep talking.   We know there is something happening here we 
haven't quite grasped yet.  And we know it is important.  I'm beginning to 
wonder whether as a people we are being forced to move off our place of 
skepticism.  Are we being forced to move backward to the place of rules or 
forward to the place of the mystic?  Or is it something else that is going on?

  I feel that all that I have said here is incomplete, and that I'm simply 
scratching at a surface I don't understand.  The value to me in giving it to 
all of you is that if there is dialogue, all of our understanding might deepen.

  Julie






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