Dear Kenoli, are givens really "statements of reality" ? Will not everyone confronted with a socalled "given" process it with his or her perceptions of reality? Are not most givens, when scrutinized, more perceptions than anything else? Is this not what Birgitt found out in her famous "givens exercise"? Why are givens particularly important in processes like open space? Are they less important in other processes? Is that really so, that there is "nothing worse than to hold out a promise then take it away"? I can think of a whole bunch of things that are worse in my perception. What about people taking off in open space on a "promise", working on their passions and planning action and then being told it was all just a game, what will happen next? Will they all drop dead and go into a stupor or what? What about our experience that open space always works? Why is being disappointed worse than being deceived? And who is to tell? Why so much worry? >From a sunny sundaybreakfastmorningmywifecallingmetojointhecrowd I send greetings
michael On Sat, 11 May 2002 13:32:18 -0800, kenoli Oleari wrote: >For me, givens are statements of realities, in a way, disclosure >statements. They are particularly important in processes like Open >Space where a high degree of initiative is "given" to participants. >There is nothing worse than to hold out a promise then take it away. >If the outcomes of an open space are simply advisory, this must be >presented up front as a "given" so that folks do not feel deceived if >the outcomes are not implemented. Being disappointed at something >like this is OK. Being deceived, is not. > >--Kenoli > >>Judith-- >> >>Well is "given" just a softer way of saying "regulation" or "rules," or is >>there more there that I am missing? >> >> :-Doug. >> >>* >>* >>========================================================== >>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu >>------------------------------ >>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, >>view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, >>Visit: >> >>http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > >-- >Kenoli Oleari, Horizons of Change, http://www.horizonsofchange.com >1801 Fairview Street, Berkeley, CA 94703 Voice Phone: 510-601-8217, >Fax: 510-595-8369, Email: ken...@igc.org (or click on: mailto://ken...@igc.org) > >* >* >========================================================== >osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu >------------------------------ >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, >view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, >Visit: > >http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html Michael M Pannwitz boscop Draisweg 1 12209 Berlin, Germany FON: +49 - 30-772 8000 FAX: +49 - 30-773 92 464 www.michaelMpannwitz.de * * ========================================================== osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, Visit: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html