Dear Elena, here is how I think on reading your account: -What was the theme for the open space and who opened it? -Result orientation has also a dark side, I recollect many horrors wraught by result orientation of individuals, groups and nations -Result orientation is fine when participants are oriented that way, if I as the facilitator have that orientation, this orientation distracts me mightily from holding space and time (attachment to outcome) -you called the event a "training" ? -what is a successful os-test? Why do you congratulate people on successful work? -why did you decide to play with them in the evening? How did that fit in the open space? -what happens when you lead people to result thinking? -I had to smile at your line "our people and children are not thinking in terms of ..." (my experience with children is so much different) -people who want to party are motivated!
Hugs and greetings from Berlin (when will you come this way again?) michael On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:07:48 +0700, Elena A. Marchuk wrote: >OK, dear folks, > >I'm back from the one more training with Rotaracts of West Siberia, which >was held in the city Kemerovo, last weekend, >they were also about 40 as on the Olkhon Island on the Baikal lake, but from >4 cities: Novosibirsk, Tomsk, Kemerovo and Barnaul, but... half of them came >just to see each other and were happy to seat somewhere and have some drinks >and talks and about a half came next morning to the OST meeting. > >well, whoever comes are the right people, > >and they started with 16 questions, which we posted for the 4 sessions, ... >3 - before lunch, and 1 after but as the questions were 'a sort of a close' >, like "how we can make our club more effective?", "how to envolve new >members?" , how can a new member 'realize' her/him self in a club, and so >on, the reglaments and shedules, whether they should 'punish' people if the >come not often... and so on... >... they a sort of died up to the end > >and as I said the OS test was successfully passed by 10 people, who made 13 >reports and we made them in book of proceeding EVEN, so after dinner we >congratulate them with the successful work and results.... but there were no >projects so we decided that we will 'play' with them a little in the >evening - there were about 15-20 people while doing an exercise on >'consensus' in organization (Rotaract) and decided with my collegue, that we >will 'work' with them on projects, next morning. so there were again about >12-15 people (they moved around and go away and then come, joining some >groups), but there were 4 projects worked on and the trainer promissed to >send them to me and we both would watch the results of each other training >in future, > >so (that was my previous experience with the group of the Open World >Program) and the same here, that our people and children are not thinking in >terms of goals and budgets and projects, just in the type of Chernishevsky >Question "What to do?" but the problem is that russians are closer to the >eastern way of thinking - the orientation on the process, not on the >result... so it was the same again... we need to 'lead' our people to >'result-thinking' > >so, yes, what ever happens, happens, but What to do? > >The people who were on Olkhon said, that it was much better, when >concentrated, only 2 hours gave them best results. > >I don't think it is exactly so, as there were more motivated people, and >here was half of the group 'having party' so some people thought: "why I >should 'work?", though not all , as I saw, but without more exprienced >people, no practice, they could not go to the project orientation.. > >how do you think? > >OK >best wishes to all > >elena marchuk >novosibirsk, russia > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Douglas D. Germann, Sr." <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 8:38 AM >Subject: What are the unstated assumptions and aims of OS? > > >> Eiwor-- >> >> << So you might as well go on our principles, whatever happens is the >only >> << thing that could happen. When I did this I was very clear to the >> sponsor >> << about that we don't really know how many are coming next time, but we >> can >> << be sure that those who come are the right people. >> >> This is beautiful and an excellent way to handle it. Thanks, Eiwor! >> >> :-Doug. >> >> * >> * >> ========================================================== >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------ >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, >> view the archives of [email protected], >> Visit: >> >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >> > >* >* >========================================================== >[email protected] >------------------------------ >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, >view the archives of [email protected], >Visit: > >http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html Michael M Pannwitz boscop Draisweg 1 12209 Berlin, Germany FON +49 - 30-772 8000 FAX +49 - 30-773 92 464 www.michaelmpannwitz.de An der E-Gruppe "openspacedeutsch" für deutschsprechende open space-PraktikerInnen interessiert? Enfach eine mail an mich. * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected], Visit: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
