Hi listmembers
I am actually not able to read all the postings, but after meeting Erich in
Vienna (I am in Europe for a while)
I "had" to look at some of the 2108 postings.
Erich, your differenciation/separation
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"the essentials" >&<
"the nutrient environment"
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seems to be a constructive one in my eyes. And not just for the moment.
By looking for the essentials we seem to look for the trans-cultural (so to
speak: the human) minimum.
By looking for the "nutrient environment" we seem to look for the
(sub-)culturally or even individually defined specifics (of feeling well)
This gives me a new perspective for reflecting on the preparation of OST and
OSO environments.
I thank you for this great difference.
Related to the actual worldwide discussion in this group it makes clear to me...
that we can try to find common ground on something like the state of the art of
"the essentials"
I SEE this as part of the worldwide trans-cultural dialogue/multilogue
and that we can learn a lot about and from the different answers, we get about
"nutrient Environment".
I SEE this as a part ot many inter- and intra-cultural dialogues/multiloges
To be interconnected
Bernd Weber
Mozambique, now Vienna
On Mon, 12 May 2003 10:30:02 +0200, Erich Kolenaty wrote:
Hi all!
Harrison wrote
There is never a point to making people uncomfortable. And for sure if the
resources (chairs, flip charts etc) are available, certainly they should be
used. But as you noted above -- very little of all that is essential. My
questions are always -- What is possible? and What is appropriate ? And I know
from long experience (sorry for the "elder" statement) that the people will not
only survive -- but thrive. There is another consideration: The more you do for
somebody, the less they have to do for themselves. I am by no means advocating
being hard-nosed and nasty, but I have often noted that adversity is often the
mother of invention. Adversity can even heighten and sharpen the experience.
And here we are close together again:
It is very important to be aware what is really essential. To know what to to
keep carrefully in, anyway. Würzburg for example showed, that it is not
esssential to provide chairs for this kind of folks.
My philosophie from my work as trainer-trainer always was "Never do, what
people can do by themselves". Sounds a little bit like your formula, isn't it?
But we know, that one of the conditions of self-organization is a "nutrient
enviroment". And here we come again to the question what is possible and
appropriate in a certain context.
For sure it would not been appropriate to skip, for example, the catering
supply for 2108, though in my opinion catering is not essential to Open Space.
People would have survived one day without food easily, maybe a little
uncomfortable, but would have survived.
So what is appropriate? It is appropriate to leave the comfortzone and bring in
challenges to stimulate people to move by themselves. But I would not support
a philosophy of slimming down to nothing, without looking at the circumstances
Erich
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