OK Artur, supreme logician that you are. Keeper of the Rational Realms -- you said: "Past, present and future do exist." I agree about the Present. But everybody knows that past is over and the future hasn't happened yet. And yes you have authorization to use the "g" word.
ho Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20845 Phone 301-365-2093 Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org Personal website http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm [email protected] To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Artur Silva Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: OS and convergence / Action Planning all the time Harrison and all: --- Harrison Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > Raffi raises a most interesting point. Action > planning happenes when it > happens. I know we tend to think -- First we do the > open space and then get > on to action planning, which usually involves some > sort of convergance > process and the like. There is a certain logic to > all this, and doubtless it > appeals to clients who may be a little nervous. But > I think it may be the > case that our logic blinds us to a rather different > reality. I am not quite > sure how to say this -- but something like -- It's > all action Planning. From > the moment the circle opens action planning is > taking place (or not) -- but > for sure the final hours of an OS are not the only > time/space for action > planning. This is very interesting, Harrison. Since Berlin I always had a bad feeeling about convergence and action planning in the end. And that was not only because there is not such thing as AP at OSONOS. It was really about the concept of doing convergence (or non convergence) AT THE END. Now that you have refered it it is clear to me. If OST is self-organization then change happens when it must happen and not necesserally when we expect it, and with or without planning. Indeed change emerges - it is not always planned. And more: we must not only "let go" of control, but also of "convencional planning" - that, after all, is where all control begins. Of corse this must be explained to the customer in advance as it is a given (if I am authorized to use the "g-word" myself...). The only thing I think I disagree is that it has not to do about the "past, present, future" question. Past, present and future do exist. It is our conception of "planning and later control" that is erroneous. My two euro-cents Artur __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25ยข http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist
